Back in 2024 with Calley Means at South by Southwest, we sat down and talked about his mission to flip the old American food pyramid upside down for the greater good. Well guess what, the pressure is finally working! This rerun is the ultimate receipt that focus, repetition, and smart lobbying for human health can still move the needle!
Host Dave Asprey sits down with Calley Means, entrepreneur, policy advocate, and co-author of Good Energy. Together, they break down how the U.S. healthcare system became a sick-care system, why ultra-processed food dominates public policy, and how individuals can reclaim autonomy over their biology. From CGMs and metabolic health to food subsidies, lobbying, and free speech, this episode challenges deeply held assumptions about medicine, nutrition, and personal responsibility.
You’ll Learn:
• Why chronic disease is the most profitable business model in modern history
• How metabolic dysfunction drives obesity, diabetes, depression, and infertility
• Why ultra-processed food sits at the root of America’s health collapse
• How CGMs and metabolic data threaten entrenched healthcare incentives
• What “food is medicine” really means and where it gets weaponized
• How HSA and FSA dollars can legally support food, exercise, and prevention
• Why fixing incentives matters more than blaming individuals
• How reclaiming health autonomy is tied to free speech and human resilience
Dave Asprey is a four-time New York Times bestselling author, founder of Bulletproof Coffee, and the father of biohacking. With over 1,000 interviews and 1 million monthly listeners, The Human Upgrade is the top podcast for people who want to take control of their biology, extend their longevity, and optimize every system in the body and mind. Each episode features cutting-edge insights in health, performance, neuroscience, supplements, nutrition, hacking, emotional intelligence, and conscious living.
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Timestamps:
0:00 – Introduction
2:11 – Mom’s Cancer Story
4:24 – Healthcare System Incentives
10:14 – TruMed and Food as Medicine
15:51 – FDA and IRS Pushback
17:25 – Political Solutions and RFK
19:49 – Childhood Obesity Crisis
21:49 – The Chronic Disease Industry
26:54 – State of Emergency Proposal
29:07 – Healthcare Industry Mindset
31:30 – COVID and Metabolic Health
32:28 – Taking Back Health Autonomy
34:16 – Medical System Collusion
35:56 – Research Corruption
37:21 – Pharma Bribes and Conflicts
40:17 – Ozempic and Civil Rights Groups
42:35 – Personal Mission and Mom’s Legacy
50:16 – Media Power and Free Speech
54:00 – Weaponizing Social Justice
55:16 – Systemic Poisoning of the Population
57:37 – Technology as a Health Solution
1:03:20 – Regenerative Farming and Robotics
1:06:34 – Controlling the Food Supply
1:10:18 – Closing Thoughts
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