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You have the best people that have ever lived or in power. And there's benevolent, beautiful people that only want a cooperative, healthy society. And they figured out how to do it. But no one's figured out how to do that. So stop. I don't know. Sometimes I look at the Japanese. They've got it do...
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- That's fuckin' goo.
- That we started, that we going.
- Where?
- Oh, no, not over the relics.
- The dirtier this table is, the better.
- Get away from the relics.
- That is, that's from my friend John Reeves,
he gave that to me, that's a mastodon tooth.
Or woolly mammoth, what's the difference?
What is the difference between woolly mammoth and a mastodon?
They must be a different age, a different era,
but that's a giant tooth.
- There's a company in Alaska, I forget the name,
but they kind of seems fucked to carve into this thing
'cause it is 10,000 years old, at least.
- How many of them are they though?
Did I have heaps of them?
- They have heaps of all.
But this is really cool, it's like they carved a mammoth in it.
So what is the difference?
According to our sponsor perplexity,
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Mammoths were taller, more slightly built grass eaters
while mastodons were shorter stockier browsers
that ate woody plants.
- Okay.
- I was just gonna say the hair maybe,
but I don't, it's obviously more.
- Woolly mammoth, right?
Yeah, a mastodon looks like an elephant.
- Yeah, the mastodon horn does look cooler.
- They're pretty cool.
- They're all pretty cool.
You know, they lived on, and they said,
well, where are the last mastodons?
- Well, I wanna say they lived on island
until like 10,000 years ago or something like that
'cause most of them died out.
They don't know how they died out,
but there's two theories.
One theory is people killed them all,
which is a shaky theory 'cause it's people of 10,000 years ago
with fucking sticks.
- Well, they ran 10,000 years ago.
- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, they died.
- We definitely did that, dude.
- I don't think so.
- I think it was a cataclysm.
I think it was the same thing that killed 65% of all megafauna.
That's the problem.
It killed so many different animals
like almost instantaneously.
- Yeah, that's it.
- 4,000 years ago, Wrangle Island,
remote Arctic Island off Siberia's coast,
had the last woolly mammoth,
till about 4,000 years ago, and that nut.
- That's nothing.
- That's nuts.
- Yeah, that's like before the pyramids were built.
- No, I mean, after the pyramids were built, bro.
- Similar time.
- Yeah, after the pyramids.
- Allegedly, I think they're probably built earlier than that,
but the official date is 2,000.
- I've seen that strange man with the beard and the--
- Which one?
- That man you had on to debate it,
who's always clapping back on Twitter
and going like, "There's nothing funny about that."
- Oh, Flint Dibble.
- Yeah, I don't want to invoke his eye.
I don't want to think he's got a lot of eye.
- He's got a lot of time and a lot of--
- I see, he enjoyed talking to him about non-archial,
non, you know, ancient history related stuff.
He has some interesting things about seeds,
like he does a lot of work in seeds.
- Okay.
- No, it's actually really interesting how--
- Like the history of seeds.
- Yeah, so save, you have a wild plant.
They can tell the difference, you know, wild plant
and an agriculturally grown plant.
- Yeah.
- And the way is the seeds change.
So when you have a wild seed,
it is more conducive to the growth of the plant
if the seeds break off easier and scatter
and they get into the ground easier.
So they break free of the plant.
But then when you use agriculture,
the seeds don't become important
for the creation of new plants
because you're always taking the seeds anyway
and planting the seeds, right?
So those seeds are more robust than they hang on more.
- Yeah.
- So you could tell by looking at the actual seeds themselves,
whether it's an agriculturally based seed
or whether it's a wild seed.
- That is good, I didn't thought about that.
- Yeah, it was really cool.
That part was cool.
The shittiness is not cool
in calling Graham Hancock a racist.
They do that with like everyone.
Everyone who has anything to say about the historical narrative
that doesn't fit into exactly what they're teaching
or what they have been teaching,
they're like so unwilling to accept
that there's any alternative timeline,
but they keep getting fucked
because over and over again,
they keep finding these new things that are older and older.
- Yeah.
- But this happens if it was the big one,
it happens in every discipline.
- Yeah.
- I mean, it happens in comedy.
There's people that don't like new comedians
that are coming up and they don't like
what they're doing differently.
- You said the thing last night about prop comedy.
- Yeah.
- Like everyone just stopped doing prop comedy
at a certain point.
- Well, it's a carotop.
- It's because it's a carotop and also
because the bullying you would receive
at the moment for having props.
There's Rick Glassman.
Am I getting his name right?
I don't know.
But he had some props and he was really funny
and he got away with it.
But he's the only person in America
other than carotop I've seen with any props.
- Well, when I started out,
there was a bunch of guys who had props.
There was a bunch of guys who had props and it was fun.
It was fun to watch.
There was, God is, Dr. Wid, I forget his name.
Dr. Wid, I forget his name.
But he was a guy when I first started out
in like the 1980s, he had props.
And he was good, he was funny comic.
- It'll be cyclical, it'll come back.
Like ladies with ukuleles had to go away for a time.
It was necessary that we purge
ukulele women from comedy.
- How many were there?
- Oh my God, I don't know.
That was, is this him?
- Dr. the legendary Wid.
- That's it, legendary Wid.
Yeah, that's the dude.
And he would do like science-based humor.
He was a funny guy.
So this is, you know, I saw him in like 88, 88, 89.
But the point was that guy was really funny
when he started bustin' out the props.
- Yeah.
And I was like, why don't you just do props?
- This is your thing.
- Yeah.
Like that kind of humor, his kind of humor,
it's almost like it's missing something
in just the straight standup form.
- There's like, there's waves of things become trendy
and then people who can't really do it
very well jump onto it.
And then it gets lime and people stop doing it.
- Well, a lot of it is one guy gets really successful
doing it and then that becomes his thing.
- We had a run of people pretending to be retarded
in Australia.
- It was like five years.
- Really high.
- Were they on the border?
- People just like slowed it down a little.
- No, we had sweaters, people having like fireworks
that they would fight into themselves
and everyone would like come out with cards
and read their act.
- That's what happens when you take away everyone's guns.
- They're trying to take them away again again.
- They already took them all away.
- Yeah.
- And then somehow we still had a massive shooting
and now the responses, well, maybe we could
take even more of them away.
- What was the nationality of the people
that caused the shooting?
- The sun, I think, was born in Australia
and the dad, there was a big fight over it on Twitter
where people were going.
He's Pakistani.
- I remember that, but I didn't,
he's not going to be more.
- He's not going to be like a star.
- No, I don't get in there.
- The big argument was over the religion of the hero
who took one of the guns away.
So like, the cops were apparently cowering.
That's the narrative, I don't know.
But one guy ran up and it's a great video
of a guy like, he runs out of guy with a gun
and wrestles the gun off him and aims the gun at him
and he does let the guy get away.
He doesn't want to kill him.
- It's kind of crazy.
- The guy just killed how many people?
- Oh, and then I think the guy gets a gun
and goes on killing people.
- No.
- Yeah, but he's not a killer.
This guy who wrestled the gun off him,
he was just a hero with a man.
- With the butt like in the movies.
- I don't know what I, I mean,
I wouldn't have ever run up to a man with a gun.
I would have been out of here.
But the argument was what religion was the guy
who took the gun.
Because people on the right really didn't want him
to be a Muslim.
They were like, it was a huge thing on X of people.
- People on the right didn't want him to be a Muslim.
- Yeah, 'cause it was Muslim shooters,
but then it looked like he was a, his name was like
Ahmed Al-Armed or something.
- But hold on, why would the people on the right
not want him to be a Muslim?
- Because then you can go, this is a Muslim thing.
Muslims were doing the shooting
and we can just go, let's deal with the Muslims.
- Oh, you mean the guy who captured the guy?
- The guy who wrestled the gun off him was also a Muslim,
which then makes it like--
- Oh, what's he?
- It's a heroic guy.
- Yeah.
- Well, his name is like, Muhammad, Muhammad, sin.
- Imagine being a regular Muslim
and having to deal with these crazy might of be grish.
- There he is.
- That guy.
- Yeah, people love him.
- But many people-- - Man, shoot the guy in the foot.
If you didn't want to kill him,
shoot him and blow his fucking ankle.
- No one can really do that and then it's a be--
Look at him, God.
- Oh, that's amazing.
And he doesn't do anything.
- He doesn't do that.
- So the guy just gets away?
- The guy does get away.
- Oh, this is not good.
- But then after he lets him get away,
I think he drops the gun and he goes away
and then he gets shot again in the arm.
But who knows what to do when there's a live?
- Yeah, you don't know what to do.
- Well, that's not a good person.
That's a good person.
He is a national hero at the moment.
And I think if he had, man,
people wanted him to be a Maronite Christian.
So bad.
The groipers were desperate for him to be.
There's a lot of people going, well, actually.
- That's the real problem we have in this country.
We want to pretend that people actually exist in groups.
Even if there's high percentages of people
from groups that are doing bad things,
there's still a giant percentage that are not
and to alienate all those people
by just lumping it all in as one group together.
- Imagine you're a peaceful Muslim
and you have to deal with this shit.
And you're like, guys, I just want to pray.
I'm just trying to find oneness with God.
That's all I'm trying to do.
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- Yeah.
- I'm one of the twillin' with.
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- They're my favorite ones personally.
- What's a twirling?
- The twirling durvishes, they just love twirling.
I love to twirl.
But the twirling, I was trying to figure out what you were saying.
But this is what's, so after that,
the government comes out and is like cracking down
on right wing extremism.
'Cause it's a lefty government and they go,
we have a, clearly we have a problem
with right wing extremism.
So now they're trying to reclassify, like,
you know, globalized infotardered jihadism
as a form of right wing extremism.
Which I'd never, which like, yeah,
I guess it's not call me lefty stuff.
- Well, you have to look at it on paper objectively, it is.
- Yeah, but I don't know how much they hang out.
I don't know if these guys, I don't think these guys
are reading like, I don't know, William F. Buckley, Jr.
- And still, let's break down what is right wing then.
- Okay, let's say this, okay.
Do they want to completely control women's behavior
and completely dictate whether or not the woman
can leave the house with certain clothes on,
what they're allowed to do, right?
- Yeah.
- That's kind of a right wing thing, isn't it?
- Yes.
- Total religious adherence, they want a religious state.
- Yeah, but the Taliban want to dance
with little boys.
That seems like a left wing thing.
- That's a separate break off group.
They're like the Baptists.
- They're like Catholics.
You know what I mean?
You got your regular Christians,
and then you got some other motherfuckers
that are out there running wild.
- But you're talking about the main ones, how about this?
- What about the women's?
- Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
It's like, they're a break off group.
It's not, the ones who are banging the boys,
that's not normal.
There's a lot of guys out there
that are Muslim that are not banging boys.
So when you connect them with the Taliban,
they're like, bro, I'm just praying over here.
- It's all people just trying to have fun.
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- Who might have judged anybody?
- The problem is when you push these people,
it's the same thing that happens
when you call everyone a racist.
What do you get?
You get a Nick Quintess.
You get a guy who emerges,
he's got the balls to a shit talk and have fun
and say wild things that are very inappropriate
and sometimes racist.
That's what you get.
You get someone embraces that guy
because you've been told you're a racist
just for being white.
You know, you've been told
there's something wrong with you, white male.
Like there was a time where someone would say something
and comments all the time, watch these people arguing.
And someone, it was a common thing to say,
as a white man, I think you should probably
shut your fucking mouth.
Like as a white man, like if you're a white man,
you're just qualified from having an opinion
on something because you are a white man.
- Yeah.
- So another form of racism is just an accepted form
of racism that's really weird.
- But then you, like Nick Quintess is getting
all his other ideas through as well.
'Cause he was the only person saying,
things that the average person would think was kind of normal.
- Well, I didn't think about this as,
'cause every person, a lot of the stuff
is you saying it was not something the average person
would think it was all right.
- But you sneak your other weird stuff through,
like when everyone's going--
- Right, right, right, right, right.
- You know, like when he says,
when he's getting attacked,
we're going like a black neighborhood
is going to be more violent on average in America.
You go, yes, I've traveled around the country
and that is, I think there's a long history
for why that's true.
- Well, it's factually correct.
- That seems to be correct.
The question is though, why?
And that's where it gets uncomfortable.
Because the real reason for why is a host of factors.
But the primary one is crime and poverty.
The primary one is they live in a community
that's filled with crime and poverty.
And if you have drugs,
and if you have a community where people are selling drugs
and it's crime and poverty,
you're going to get a lot of violence,
whether it's an Italian community, Armenian community,
or any community where you got a lot of crime
and a lot of poverty.
I first came here and went to Appalachia.
- People are going to kill them.
- There are white people doing crazy, crazy things.
- You ever see the wild, wonderful whites of West Virginia?
- I watched it like a week ago.
- Fucking amazing.
- The most charismatic family I've ever seen.
- Knoxville did that, didn't he?
- Yeah, he produced that.
- Yeah, bro, that dude.
- And I mean, if you're so homesick,
I was only there for a couple months.
I wanted to go back so bad.
- The dance and outlaw.
- He's, one of the like granddaddy had a new way of dancing.
And it's the most insane.
(laughing)
- Was that really going to take off?
- It did.
- Was that the style of dancing?
- When you're on meth, it's awesome.
- I mean, this was the perfect dance style.
- Stay with him.
- Oh, they were on everything.
- They were on the wall.
- How about the lady?
- I'm always been thought of as a sexy one.
- She was a stripper, remember her?
- Yeah, no, it's a voice.
- I did a big deep dive on Wikipedia about them afterwards.
- She stomped the kitten.
- Which one's dancing here?
- This is Jessica, the American owl.
- Jessica, he's the younger guy.
- He's, just go, lives out the legacy.
- Excuse me?
- He's like, he keeps the dance in a life.
He's the one who's a celebrity in the show.
- Right, right.
- But then there's another documentary about him.
And in both documentaries,
he complains about a woman making his eggs wrong.
- Yeah, that's that dude, yeah.
- He's got it.
- He's a charismatic guy.
- Yeah, he said he would cut her
if she gave him brother eggs.
- Sloppy eggs.
- Settle down, bro.
Like maybe we shouldn't be celebrating this.
- But I think, I think one of them just got out of prison.
I think the one who at the start of that documentary.
- God, I hope Trump got him out.
- Who got out?
What do you do?
- The one who shot his uncle in the truck.
- Oh, that kid, yeah.
- I think he just got, that's the sexy one.
- Yes.
- And sexy's one of the family.
Listen to what he said, how the voice says it though.
The voice is incredible.
- This is pictures.
- I think that's sexy one.
I think she did get in trouble for stepping on a cat.
- Well, there was a thing in that film
that was interesting though, towards the end,
where you see some of them are trying to move away
from that life, that one girl got sober.
So there was a take to it where they realized like,
hey, this is not sustainable.
This is a crazy way to live.
I'm a mother, what am I doing?
She was trying to get out of it.
Which I think a lot of people do come to the realization
if you're in that kind of a community.
I gotta get the fuck away from these crazy assholes
and stop doing meth.
- It is?
- Yeah, I think.
- But it's how do you do it?
See, this is the thing.
This is the thing when you say like,
is it true that there's a higher percentage
of murders that occur in black communities.
Right, right.
But as opposed to poor communities,
like what about like in deeply impoverished communities?
Like, and then when you introduce a history
of gang violence and crime and no one ever does anything
to stop it, it's gonna stay the same.
Whether it's in Appalachia or whether it's a,
the hat feels in the McCoy's, all those motherfuckers
were killing each other back in the Wild West days of me,
it's probably horrible back then, why?
Because they let it be that way.
Nobody did anything about it.
You couldn't stop them.
- And I think some of the solutions for it are very bad.
This is my, I don't wanna speak out of tune,
'cause it's not my country.
But like when I've been driving through,
people love to come to America and tell us what to do.
- I love it.
- I think it's the greatest country in the world.
And I repeat that again.
- Me too.
- When I drive through like a bad area
and there's like a planned parenthood
with a line around the block, and things set on fire.
And you can just like,
I know that planned parenthood started out
as a eugenicist organization where they went,
like that was the lady who founded it, that was her thing.
And you can really see in those neighborhoods,
it's like, if you have a child here,
you're gonna be tied to this community.
We want you to get out.
We want people who have the spirit to get out of here
and to live a good, full life in America,
not to be tied down to being in like a really difficult,
crime-riddled area. - Yeah.
- So abort your children so you can get out.
It seems to be the,
I think they're still doing the eugenicist thing.
I've been like, just be free for different reasons,
not because they want to dilute the numbers
in the population or whatever.
But because they go,
you've got to be a free person who can leave
and children will tie you to a place.
- Yeah, that's a way to look at it.
- That was when I was driving through,
I forget Wisconsin, Northern Wisconsin.
I don't know.
I just hit with this.
So, oh man, it's like usually the rough area of a town
is lifted up by a freeway in America.
Like you don't see, if you drive into Chicago,
you just way up here on a freeway
and then you come down into like the most beautiful buildings
you've ever seen in your life and people go,
it's very scary over in the other part of Chicago,
and you go, I never saw it.
I was, I was 30 feet in the air,
but in some places I have driven through it
and I've gone, all right, stop and you go, this,
someone's like, if I lived here,
I mean, there are some areas that are so rough.
It's like, man, if I lived here,
I would go and steal and kill from the people
who live 20 minutes up the road for sure.
You don't, like, you just drive 20 minutes up the road
and there's a German town and everything's perfect
and everyone's rich and everyone's beautiful.
And this doesn't happen in, I don't know,
I'm from a very flat country, by comparison,
for highs and lows here are incredible.
- Oh, the highs and lows of what?
- America.
- You mean poverty and wealth?
- Yeah.
- Okay.
- Like the Bronx being an hour from the Hamptons.
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I used to say that like when I lived in LA,
I was like, you know, people like this is a good neighborhood.
I go right, but you know, people from a bad neighborhood
can just come into your good neighborhood?
You know about all that, right?
When people were like, why do you have dogs?
Why do you have guns?
I was like, what, like do you watch the news?
- Yeah. - Are you fucking crazy?
Like, you gotta be careful out there.
And most of the time, it's not going to happen to you.
The 99.99% of people will never experience
anything awful, but to not have any idea
that it could ever happen to you is bad.
I think the real problem, and this is the one
that just doesn't get addressed with any politicians ever,
is something massive has to be done to stop this,
like ancestral, like this lineage of people
that are coming from these crime-ridden places,
and no one changes anything about it at all.
We had a cop on once from Baltimore,
and he was telling us that while he was on duty,
he found this like crime sheet, a dock sheet
of all the things that happened in like 76 or something like that.
And he was reading all the areas and all the crimes,
and it dawned on him.
It was like, oh my God, like this is the same crimes
in the same area decades later, and nothing has changed.
They need to do something huge.
Like treat that as if it's an untapped resource
of human potential, because that's what it is.
All those people in that community,
if they had been born and raised
with different families in a different place,
completely different outcome.
A giant percentage of who you are is dumb luck.
And if the people that got the worst luck
to be born in a crack house, or be born in a place
where there's gang violence on the street every day,
and you go to school and you have to pick a gang,
if you don't pick a gang, different can kill you.
Like, what are you gonna do?
Like, you're not gonna do anything,
but what everybody else is doing.
That's what most people are gonna do.
The few that are gonna break out,
maybe they're musicians, or an athlete,
or something like that, they break out.
But for the most part, you're fucked.
But what it is, is untapped and unrealized human potential
that's going to waste, on the most stupid fucking shit
in the world.
But then when you try and do something like that
in America, the pushback is huge.
Like, I think this is--
- Well, what is the pushback of investing into communities?
- Well, I would say, I think the national guard
going into some places.
- Okay, that's different.
- So that's what it can look like sometimes.
Like, that's what I can look into this administration.
- Portland, yeah, there's gotta be a better way of doing it.
- Well, you're just gonna get too much pushback.
But what you can't do is let it get to the point
where it's feasible to call on the national guard.
That's what's crazy.
It's like, their law enforcement has been so handcuffed
by the administrations, especially in Northwestern United States.
Like, everybody, they don't get enough sun,
they lost their fucking mind, and once depressed,
and everyone's trans.
It's crazy up there.
It's crazy.
- I was just in Portland.
I was in Portland just before the national guard went in,
and I was in Portland like--
- How insane.
- It's so much, you can walk around a little, a little easier.
- Oh, absolutely, National Guard.
- I wasn't like that.
I know people were very upset in Portland about that,
but I think just quietly, they were going,
it's kind of nice to have to look into the train station again.
- The mayor in DC, thank Trump.
- Yeah.
- This is like the safest it's ever been here,
since you're brought in the national guard.
But the problem is, that's a fucking precedent.
So here's the thing, if it's necessary.
Let's say you have a place that's a literal,
not even a real place, a fictional place in America,
where there's a literal gang war going on,
and dozens of people are getting shot every day,
and it's basically a war zone.
Let's just imagine a place like that.
You would say, okay, it's probably a good idea
to bring in the military and control that,
because the entire population is at risk.
It's very dangerous.
It's a literal war zone in the middle
of a modern American city.
We have to stop that.
- Oh, the thing is, people are lighting newspaper stands
on fire, people are doing this,
people are breaking the starposts.
Let's bring in the military.
People aren't obeying the speech laws.
Let's bring in the military.
People are not using their digital ID.
Let's bring in the military.
It's like, there's gotta be a separation
between our army and our civilians,
and it has to be a big fucking reason
to break that separation.
- Well, I think, I mean, you did it in the '60s in the South
when, like, busing Canada, sorry, y'all,
or the United States, when Jim Crow was happening
in the South, the military got sent in.
And people, you desegregated the South by force.
So that was deemed to be like an appropriate use of,
like a monopoly on violence to enact a social change.
Like, you're not gonna have segregated schools anymore.
We're gonna have the military there
and make sure that this works out.
- Crazy, after bringing that, the military,
to get people to allow black people
and white people to go to school together.
- I mean, yeah, they didn't want it.
- Well, it's just so weird when I go to the South now
because everyone is so friendly
and people do seem to get along,
and you go, your grandparents were like,
- Bro, they had to rip the land down.
- Doing the craziest stuff.
- Well, it's terrible.
I mean, the Emmett Till,
I just found out about that after I got here.
It's unbelievable.
And they were still shooting the Emmett Till statue
that they put up.
They had to like, replace it with a bronze statue.
So the bullet holes wouldn't affect me.
- Really?
That's what was going on.
- I believe that was what was happening until like,
- Sure wasn't just one KKK dude
that ruined everybody else.
- It may have been one dude.
You know what I'm saying?
That's the problem.
You get one wacky guy in a neighborhood
and you know, that's a racist neighborhood.
They were shooting the Emmett Till statue.
Maybe about one asshole or the entire shop, you know?
One fucking dude smelling his own farts
and loading up his rifle.
- That one, I can saw MMA fighter who kept saying
that he loved Hitler, did a lot.
Did a lot to hurt the reputation of that football team?
- Yeah, right, Rachel.
- The razor backs in the back.
- Yeah, that wasn't a, I think he did not phrase that well.
I think there's a lot of people, here's the thing.
There's a lot of people that become experts
and I'm guilty of this as well.
By, you're talking about something
where you maybe watch the YouTube video.
You know what I mean?
Like maybe you read an article about it.
It's some fucking political, who knows?
Who knows where you read it?
It could be some crazy right wing source.
You read something, you took it as fact.
And then you talk to a bunch of other people
that also take it as fact.
And the next thing you know, you start talking and...
- You start showing the world?
- Saying shit, yeah, that's me.
- Okay, the people always criticize that.
People always have a go at the podcast
is for like spouting off on things that they're not.
- Yeah, but that is what I do.
- But how come there's no responsibility
on the mainstream legacy media
for having gotten really, really boring over the last?
- Not just 15, 20 years ago.
- Boring is...
- I would say lying as well.
- Compromise.
- Completely compromised, totally untrustworthy,
completely compromised.
- I just got the New York Times app.
'Cause I thought, I have a look at that.
I finally got enough money where I compared Dollar Week
to be on the New York Times app.
- Yeah.
- And it's so, I mean, they've built Twitter.
It's like the experience of it and the scrolling on it.
It feels like you're in Twitter,
but only mediated through selected journalists
from the New York Times.
And suddenly you're like, I'm just stepping into for a moment.
Whatever bubble that is, I wanted to take a look at it.
It's like...
- I think they're all gonna have to course correct.
- I think they're all gonna have to realize that it's not,
it's not being intellectual.
Like a true intellectual, a true progressive
by only looking at things from one perspective.
And to automatically assume that anybody that has
a different perspective, okay, we're back.
- There we go.
- Where was I?
- So they need to have a course correction.
We're talking about the mainstream media
and that they've lost that many people.
- That's what I'm saying.
Was that you can't proclaim yourself to be intellectual
by only listening to one perspective
and to being like very aggressive and hostile
about the other perspective.
Immediate ad hominemes, immediate attacks on,
you know, lumping everyone in together,
associated, like we were talking about earlier,
associating ancient history with racism.
Like you're doing that, it's a little trick you're doing.
You're not having a real conversation.
You're being a bitch.
And this kind of communication sucks.
It sucks for the left, it sucks for the right.
When people on the right, it sucks for it's a bad human
communication skill.
If you were good at it,
you would want other people to have different opinions
and you'd want to hear those opinions
and talk to those people.
- I think they're trying a course correct.
This is what we have to watch, and it's who they're,
I don't want to, they love Schultz at the New York Times.
- Well, he goes over there.
- They picked him.
Yes, they've picked him up.
- But he goes over there and talks to them.
- Yeah, well, he's very smart.
- They want him.
- Sure, and another, he's another guy's very smart
and very fun.
You know, so like they want these people
because they've been kind of locked out of the fun.
- Yeah.
Well, they just pretended that it didn't exist.
- Do you see Schultz talk to them though?
- I haven't talked to them.
- On the round table?
- Yeah, it was right.
- It's hilarious because they're talking
in these bullshit terms.
- Yeah.
- And he's like, "Hold on, let's just talk real here."
- Well, he goes, "The Jews."
(laughs)
- And everybody locks, 'cause he's a comedian.
- He's a lad to be funny.
- Yeah, and there was another one that he did
with another guy.
I forget from one other mainstream media publication.
It was the same sort of situation.
And to have it that way, where it's a one-on-one conversation,
then you get to see like the weird way
that they actually think, communicate, the bubble.
Like Tim, when Tim Dylan was on CNN.
- This is the CNN one.
I was gonna say it's one of the marina.
'Cause she kept asking this, she didn't want it.
They resisted releasing that as a long form.
- Yes.
- And you can see why?
'Cause she's asking the same question three or four times
in a row to try and bait something.
Which is not how a conversation works.
- We pressured them into putting the whole thing out.
- She keeps going, "Really, come on."
Just to get him, 'cause he's a fun guy,
and he wants to say something funny,
and she's like baiting him to say something exaggerated.
- Yeah, John Stewart had the best response
to this whole thing.
He just talked to some guy from the New Yorker,
and they were talking about this podcast.
And he's like, you know, they were talking about
different opinions and different people that I've talked to.
And he's like, "But Joe Rogan has the biggest audience
in the world. Here's a bigger audience."
He's like, "Well, go get a big audience."
- Yeah.
- "Go get it."
- It's not like that I don't have the finances.
- You just go figure it out, do it right,
and you'll get a big audience.
Like it's not that fucking complicated.
I don't have pyrotechnics, there's no CGI.
There's not even a crew.
I mean, there's a skeleton crew of people who do this.
- But I think some of it is the,
it's just like ivory tower mentality of if it becomes,
but like that they think there is a sense in people
who have got like a very big education
and have gone through the whatever system
you have to jump through to get to an elite legacy thing,
is that most people are too stupid to have like
an open on honest conversation with,
and that if stupid people like you, then that's a problem.
That's how they're viewing the world.
And that there's like--
- Well, there's also people in the world
in that they're protecting people from opinions
they don't agree with.
Even though they listen to those opinions
it has no effect on their position.
They keep the same position.
But they're worried that people dumber than them.
It's a very condescending thought process.
- To think that you're the only open-minded person.
- Not only that, and people that are dumber,
which is most people, you're going to fall into the trap
of what this person's saying that I don't agree with.
- And this, yes, and that the only way
to get people to listen to you is to like spin lies,
that like you can't just be honest,
which is what I think the podcasting thing is,
it's what it is, it's a long--
You can't really put on a facade
for three hours talking to somebody.
- Maybe again.
- I think that might be who he is at this point.
- Yeah, he is definitely that.
Well, that's why I wanted to do a podcast with him.
So you could say three hours, by the way,
no questions beforehand, no prep, didn't pee,
sat there for three hours.
He's almost 80, like if he was wearing a diaper respect,
but the guy just fucking hung out for three hours.
Does that mean I agree with everything he does?
- Fuck no, of course not.
- But he was able to be himself for three,
he was able to talk for three hours.
Where's Kamala?
Wouldn't do it.
- Well, she couldn't have, she could have done it.
I'm telling you, man.
- I watched her find six minutes on Stephen Colby and I don't
think she could have done it.
- It's different, it's different.
He's kind of being like an interviewer, right?
He's in this weird position where he's at a desk,
the desk is beside you for some reason,
'cause that's how they always used to do it.
So these fucking uncreative people just do it
the exact same way always.
It doesn't make any sense.
Why's he at a desk?
Is he writing?
What is he having?
Did he have pens in the drawer?
Like what are we doing here?
Like why am I on a couch over here?
Why am I sitting down like to the right of you?
It's weird.
It's always in the same position.
Host is always to the right.
They're always to the left of the screen.
It's goofy, right?
So he's doing this thing that you only do on television
in front of an audience by the way.
Should never have a conversation in front of an audience.
Because as soon as you do,
the people are aware of the audience.
You're aware of how people think and feel
and you're playing to them.
And some people say things to try to get a rise
out of you in front of the audience.
I like, yeah.
If you wanna do that, it's a different thing.
But if you're gonna have like a really important conversation
with someone, you don't wanna do it in a fucking audience.
So Stephen, the way he's doing is handicapped from the jump.
Also, you only have seven minutes
before you have to cut for commercial or whatever it is.
You can't do that.
You, it'll take me seven minutes to ask what she likes to cook.
I wanna know what she, who she, I don't know.
I wanna know, is there anything that she regrets doing?
Is she ever, what does she learn from this time?
Is it more complicated being a vice president
than he thought it was gonna be?
Like what is the web of trying to fix things
and change things versus the people
that are influencing you to make decisions?
'Cause we're not pretending
that people don't spend a lot of money
to influence your decision.
So how much of an effect does it have?
- What do you actually believe
when they come to you asking for those five minutes?
- What would be better, could we take money out of politics?
Would you be willing, what would we do
if we completely eliminated corporate funding
of any politicians?
How would that change everything?
Those are the kind of questions we could have liked.
We could have talked for hours about that.
- But she doesn't wanna do that.
And the people around her, this is what I meant,
there's like, there's something that is,
the right used to have this as well.
And both sides of politics had it.
And I remember, there was like, how would Dane,
I think it was, did a weird screen.
- Yeah, one screen.
- And the whole thing fell apart.
And that really stayed with me.
That I remember watching politics
and there was some sense of like,
everything is very manufactured.
And if you make a single mistake, oh my God,
you know, lose the primary, it's all over.
And Trump destroyed that with the Republicans.
Where it all became very, we've just got to like,
hang out and talk and everyone got very Lucy Goosey
on the right.
And the Democrats have not adjusted to that
and had their, like Bernie could do it.
They just froze Bernie out
and they did everything they could to stop him coming through.
- Right, like Marjorie Taylor Greene,
you could not have a person like that before Trump.
That would, there's no way.
There's no way.
- I mean, you can't have her with, she's gone.
- She's gone now.
- She's gone, but she wouldn't have existed without him.
Like that sort of rash, crazy personality.
That had not existed in a Congress person.
- And there will be someone on the left who can do that.
- Jasmine Pocket.
- She's doing that.
- Man, maybe.
- She gets aggressive.
- She does.
- And they get crazy with each other.
- Listen, it's a reality show now.
- I know people don't like her.
- I think she's hip, she would maybe come on the show.
- Mm-hmm.
- Okay.
- Have you invited him to come on the show?
- No.
(laughing)
- Listen, I think--
- I do scared.
Have me on the show.
- I think a lot of them are probably very nice people.
Very nice people.
They're, and this is not an attack on any individuals.
I think that system turns you into a sociopath.
That's what I think.
And I think there's very few people, Tulsie Gabbard,
my friend being one of them.
I'd love her.
It's amazing.
She's a real person.
Like, that lady is the same person on air, off air,
meeting people, hanging out with her husband.
I've hung out with her hours and hours and hours.
That's who she is.
She's cool as fuck.
And she was a congress person, but she has horror stories.
- Yeah.
- When she tells you, like, what it's like on the inside,
and when you find out how these people
are making hundreds of millions of dollars
on a hundred and seventy thousand dollars a year salary,
and no one's batting an eye.
That is kind of cookie.
It's kind of cookie, 'cause even ones
you wouldn't suspect, like, wait a minute.
They're worth how much?
Now, you don't really know how much they're worth, right?
You'd have to get an audit, right?
'Cause what you're hearing is a reporting
of what they're worth.
And it could be total propaganda.
It could be half of what it is.
But even if it's millions, even if it's a couple million,
if you've been a congressperson for two years,
and now all of a sudden you're worth three million dollars,
and you were in debt before you became a congressperson,
that's suspicious.
And if you look at the fucking,
the people that invest money,
that's where it gets really crazy,
because it is not a blue thing,
and it's not a red thing.
It's both.
Everybody is making money on the stock market.
There's a shitload of these people
that are buying a bunch of stock
and then conveniently a short time later,
a bill gets passed that they were working on,
that makes it very profitable for that country,
stock shoots through the roof.
They make a giant windfall.
- I'm trying to remember who said it.
There was someone said about like,
you can sort of believe what you want in American politics,
and you'll get rich for it.
Like no matter what you actually believe,
there's a group out there who are gonna get you rich
for having a belief in it.
Like it's the environmental people,
if it's the fossil fuel people.
- Right.
- I mean, they would be varying scales of it,
but also you can fix this.
- Like there are ways to--
- To fix the money in politics.
- I've been reading a lot about Lee Kuan Yew.
- Who's that?
- He was the sort of the dictator of Singapore.
They might not like that, 'cause he won.
Don't go there.
- He won, he won elections.
But Singapore is like a single party state.
- Oh, so it's like when Putin wins.
- I don't wanna get in trouble with the people of Singapore.
- Listen.
- But it is notable that one party wins every single time,
and they don't primary and they win almost all the seats,
and they are really popular.
But he brought in like canings and he got drugs out of the country,
and he started paying the politicians a lot.
Like if you're a politician in Singapore,
you get a huge salary,
but you are not to ever be corrupt.
Like you meant to have enough money
that they can't really buy you.
And that might be the only way,
'cause if you have, you know,
what are you, what are you earning?
$170,000 a year to be a congressperson.
If they are making $3 million a year,
and the punishment for taking money from anybody else
or from getting a stock, you know, maybe you can't own stocks,
but we give you $3 million a year.
- Right.
- Then at least you can't be swayed.
Like you're taking a lot of tax money to do the job,
but at least there's some insulation
on someone being able to go,
I want you to vote this way.
- I think if you have a totalitarian dictatorship,
you could probably pull that off,
because if the politician is bad, you could shoot him.
- Yes.
- The problem in America, if you have $3 million,
and you know a guy who's got $50 million,
you feel poor, because we're retarded.
- All right, Brian Callan as a friend who's worth,
I think he's worth $8 billion,
and he feels broke, because his friend is worth 30.
- I don't know, for real.
There's people that get that goofy.
- I've met, I've seen it a couple times.
- So if you're in the business of trying to make money,
which is what most politicians are,
it's like they decided not to go into sales,
they go into politics, they're trying to make
as much money as they can while they're there, right?
That's what most people are doing with most jobs.
If you're doing that and you're just kind of a person
who's drawn to that kind of a job,
you're not gonna be happy with your salary.
If you find out that there's some NGO
that you can invest in, and you can start a non-profit,
and then it becomes a profit,
and you can funnel money overseas,
and then corporations that you buy into also
can use the laws that you're passing,
you're gonna do it anyway.
- This is what Plato says.
- They're gonna say, I cannot be corrupted.
You'd have to kill 'em.
If you catch 'em corrupt, you gotta shoot 'em
in front of everybody, you're gonna say,
this is what happens when you steal from America.
Boom, I'm not saying you should do that,
but I'm saying that's the only way you're gonna stop it.
It would have to be a totalitarian dictatorship,
but then it brings us back to the thing
about using the military in the cities.
When do you draw the line?
When do you draw the line?
Like, okay, what's hate speech, right?
So, hate speech can mean a bunch of different things
to different people.
So, as soon as you say, we can't permit hate speech.
Okay, well then you can't permit freedom of speech
because you're just defining hate by whatever.
That's the same line when you bring the military
into those cities.
It's the same line.
It's like you're doing something you shouldn't be able to do,
and you're justifying doing it, saying,
because this is a special case.
The problem is, what if that gets solved,
you're gonna move further to the more,
you've already got me to allow you to arrest,
you can arrest me for tweeting things.
Okay, I've already said yes to that.
So, what else is next?
Like, you're gonna keep going.
If you make money, you wanna make more money.
If you pass laws, you wanna wanna pass more laws.
Yeah, that's how you get numbers on the board.
That's how you win this fucking game.
You can't let 'em ever score.
Then you have to de-game the system.
Well, you don't tell me.
If you're gonna have a democracy, you have to have--
Yeah, you gotta de-game the system.
But the problem is, there's so much profit in it,
and they get to vote on whether or not
they can still do this insider trading thing, right?
Which is bananas.
Like, who thinks we should still steal?
Oh, can we have an anonymous vote?
(laughing)
You don't have this problem with an aristocracy.
That's all I'm saying.
Well, if you finally go back to the padded wigs--
There is a real-- There's a terrible argument for that,
because you're just hoping that the person
is a benevolent dictator.
That's the best case scenario.
You get a benevolent king.
Well, how many of those have ever existed?
They've had so many beautiful benevolent kings.
We've got a benevolent king right now in my country.
It's strange, right?
It's like, there's no right way to run people,
because no one really should be one--
There's never a time where it makes sense,
where one person is the head dude of 350 million people.
That is nuts.
That is completely nuts.
Yeah.
But you also-- I mean, as a country,
you have a great tolerance, I think,
compared to other Western democracies,
for letting there be some chaos.
Yeah, because we have guns.
That's part of it.
I think-- You're a really armed country.
Thorating chaos allows you to have the gun start.
Like, if you didn't have the virtue of going--
Some people are going to get shot,
and we're going to be OK with that.
Well, it's not just that.
It's like, you know, it was written into the Constitution,
because we were rebelling, right?
We were rebelling from a dictatorship.
We had escaped.
And when we had declared that this was a country,
we were like, we got to stay strapped,
because these motherfuckers might come back.
And we all agreed to that.
Yeah.
And then it got to a point where people go, OK,
but they were talking about muskets.
Now people have AR-15s.
Now people have switches they could put on clocks,
and they can fire automatically.
Is it tactical, nuclear weapon,
defended under the Second Amendment?
You want to hear the scariest thing that I heard?
This is a guy that was talking about the UAP program,
and the back engineering of flying saucers.
Yeah.
What do they call it a simultaneous or a spontaneous?
What was the word that he used for it?
Instantaneous.
Instantaneous.
That these UFOs that they believe use
some sort of a gravity--
some sort of a propulsion system that's
unknown to modern science, standard conventional science.
And they can transport, literally transport,
like going from place to place in space instantaneously.
And so what do the United States government try to do?
They try to use it as a method of delivering a nuclear bomb.
So an instantaneous nuclear payload delivery system.
That's what they were calling flying saucers.
The first thing they thought about doing with them
was instantaneously deliver a nuke.
So no one could retaliate, and they didn't even see it coming.
You would just have a flying saucer with a nuke
appear at the Kremlin.
What's weird though, you guys had that capability for years.
Allegedly.
No, I mean, when no one else had the nuclear bomb,
and when we didn't have good anti-air programs,
and just America alone had nuclear weapons,
you could have at that point.
You could have said, we're in charge of the world now,
or everyone's dead.
Well, there was a bunch of people that did.
That's what Dr. Strange loves all about, right?
You made movies about it, and you talked about it,
but you didn't do it when the Suez crisis kicked off.
I think Eisenhower's like, can we get a nuke in there?
And people say, no, Mr. President.
They came real close to nukeing things three or four times.
What a beautiful thing that you held back.
Yes.
No one else would have.
I'd talk about this, I think about this a lot,
that if anyone else had discovered the nuclear weapon,
that's it.
You'd have global Germany by one power.
Well, I think that is one thing about America
that most people will agree to, is that we like to think
of ourselves as being the best country in America,
and that comes with responsibility.
Being the greatest superpower comes with responsibility.
That's why people get real uncomfortable about, like,
drone bombings, statistics, and shit like that
to get real uncomfortable, because it makes you really,
really question what we do.
Yeah.
You know, when you tell people, do you know that, like,
more than 80% of the people that die in drone bombings
or civilians, accidental kills?
Listen, every time someone tries to be nice about Obama,
then they have to go anywhere the drone bombings.
Yeah.
A lot of innocent people.
I know.
They always have to do that.
You know, listen, I think we found out through Obama
most likely what you find out through anybody that gets
through there that's not Trump, is that they immediately
co-opped you into the system.
You had no idea how the system worked until you got in there.
You were a senator for two years, and then also
in your president.
Yes, I'm amazing ideas, and you're a great spokesperson,
and probably the best statesmen we've ever had.
Like the best representative of the best about America.
A guy who is from a single mom, you know, grew up poor,
didn't, you know, didn't have silver spoon in his mouth.
Yeah.
Forget about all the narratives of him being narrated
somehow to the bushes.
There's a lot of that.
I didn't know that.
Oh, there's like a whole conspiracy theory.
But point is that what you got is a guy who is promoting
hope and change, right?
And that's what we were all really hoping was going to happen.
But not it was really kind of like another bush term
in terms of like foreign policy, in terms of a lot of things.
In terms of like the way America felt about America, though,
it was good.
It was like, hey, racism has obviously stopped
being an issue to get you to be the president of the United
States, because a black man just won.
And it's not saying that racism doesn't exist,
but we're doing better than we used to do.
This was not possible when Martin Luther King Jr. was making
his "I Have a Dream" speech, but it is possible now.
So we have progressed.
And he's brilliant.
And he's well-measured and calm and peaceful.
And he never calls reporters Piggy.
He never makes me tweets when his enemies die.
So it's a representative of America.
It's gone to the point where the Rob Rhino tweet just
went, it just like--
It killed it for a lot of people.
Is that it?
But no, I mean, I saw it.
And I was like, oh, yeah.
Of course, he's mocking a dead man.
Well, that guy tried to jail him for a year.
And this is not forgiving him for that.
Is there's not--
Rob Rhino tried to jail.
Oh, my God.
There's a video of him working with intelligence agents.
He was working with James Clapper.
And who's the other guy?
Clapper.
And how come I can't remember that?
I just-- I still think it's a good policy
that once a guy dies.
But this is a well-produced 100%.
It was with McCain as well.
I remember that they headed each other.
I know, 100%.
It's gross.
It's gross thing to mock a man after he's dead.
It's just pointless.
But the real problem is, it's a bad look
for America in general.
It's a mark of cruelty that ultimately
could lead people to think differently about America
and perhaps motivate attacks.
That's a real thing.
Like a cookie person, you can sway them either way
by the vibe the country is giving off.
And the president is giving off a vibe
that his enemy, he's mocking the fact that his enemy was
obsessed with him.
And that's what led to his son going crazy and killing him.
I've had friends come over and visit me.
And almost all of them have been scared to come.
Like people who haven't been to America before.
They're scared to come to America?
People are very scared to come to America.
Good.
Yeah.
[LAUGHS]
Well, this is like not Honduras, this is just a strand.
So there's gun violence.
If you just-- if all you're seeing is the news,
you go, well, civil wars right around the corner.
Well, that's what they want.
And it's like--
That's what they want.
But way more interested in college football
than killing each other in the street.
Especially in Texas.
Most people are way more interested in living their lives.
The problem is when your life becomes that.
The problem is when your life becomes a cause.
When your life-- whether it's a religious cause,
a jihadist cause, a right wing cause, a left wing
cause, your life becomes a fucking cause.
We have to stop oil now.
And you're gluing your fucking hand to a painting.
There's a lot of nutty, stupid shit
that goes on with just being a human being.
And it's all accelerated results from eating.
But I find it heartening that people give a shit here.
That people know on some level.
Maybe they don't have a good grasp
of what's actually happening in the world.
But there's a sense in America that people
kind of know who their politicians are.
They're across what the issues that they're
being asked to vote on.
And in Australia, the extent to which people have no idea
what is going on and are so checked out
and don't know any of it and are not actively
participating in democracy.
You guys really care.
Like, people primary and they scrutinize people
and there's some belief that you can still
get involved in politics here.
I really-- it's like the most heartening thing about it.
And that's the downside is if everybody cares,
then you do get.
You get people going off the deep end.
Well, you just got to keep it a fair game.
And as long as you keep it a fair game,
if you don't do a good job, and that
person gets into power, you fucked up.
So now, your team has to regroup and rebuild
and come back again in four years.
And that's what it's supposed to be.
But when you start trying to do things like moving
all the illegals to specific states
so that you get more congressional seats
because of the census.
And then you start giving them Social Security numbers,
and Medicaid, and Medicare.
And you start rigging the system
because you want to bring in more voters and you're spending.
And this is what they did.
This is undeniable at this point.
The Federer was copped to it.
He was like, yeah, I saw him on you.
It's undeniable what they did.
And I get it, like you're playing a dirty game,
they're playing a dirty game.
And this is not a right or left thing.
I remember that hacking democracy documentary
that was on HBO back in the day.
It was during the Bush administration.
And this hacking democracy, they tested these voting
machines, and this is a long time ago, right?
So this is like, what was it like?
2004, Jamie?
What was that?
Somewhere around then, so this was a much less sophisticated
system that I'm sure that they're using today.
But there was a third party input.
For some reason, it had been set up
so a third party can input data into the machine
and change the votes.
And they did it on TV.
They did it on TV.
They showed that they could do it easily.
And they affected the votes.
So they showed back then, they were essentially saying
that the Bush administration had rigged the vote.
And that's how they got Bush in the office.
And this company that made these machines
was a big contributor to the Republican party.
So this shit has been going on on both sides.
But that was true, I mean, in 2000, that was true.
So here everybody thinks it's a JFK election.
The film investigates, oh, for sure, the JFK election.
The flawed integrity of the electronic voting
machines, particularly those made by die-bowl election systems
exposing previously unknown backdoors
in the die-bowl trade secret computer software.
The film culminates dramatically in the on camera hacking
of the in-use working die-bowl election system
in Leon County, Florida, the same computer voting system
which has been used in actual American elections
across 33 states and which still counts
tens of millions of American votes today.
Whoa, today is that real?
The same fucking machines?
When it was written, I don't know.
When did this article come out?
This is Wikipedia, I don't know.
Usually up there.
Bro, that's crazy if they're still using the same machines.
That's, like, well, that was a thing during Georgia, right?
They were supposed to upgrade their machines,
but they decided to wait until after the election to do it.
Why is there no pressure to make the elections feel more real?
I think because they're both rigging it.
Right, but if they're both rigging it.
I don't think neither of them was rigging it.
They just want to win, man.
And then call everybody conspiracy theorists.
Both sides, by the way.
This is not one side or the other.
I think both sides are trying to do whatever the fuck they can.
I don't think both sides rigging it is the same--
Okay, it's been used in business in the US since 2009.
Well, this is about the Bush administration to die both things.
And what you're hearing about mail and ballots,
that's about the left.
It's like you're getting the same thing on both sides.
One of the things that Rep Luna said when she was on the podcast,
I thought it was fascinating.
She's like, "There's certain problems that they don't want to fix
'cause they can campaign finance against it.
They can, like, get people to donate money against it."
Okay.
You know, like, they could run on that platform.
We're gonna fix this.
Like, they don't want to fix it.
Because that's how they get money.
Right, like, if you're in your homelessness--
Whatever organization you actually need the homeless
so you can keep existing.
Notably, that's even worse.
They're incentivized to have more homeless.
Yeah.
They get paid per homeless.
So if they have more homeless people, they could say,
"Hey, we need a bigger budget.
We have more homeless people."
I remember when we had the unemployed in Australia,
it was like, we had these companies that would,
it was their job to get you a job.
And the government would pay the money.
But you got more money for finding someone a job
if they've been unemployed for a longer period of time.
So it's like, don't try to find them a job
for the first two years, all right?
Two years in, then get them a job.
Yeah, you're growing some plans.
You don't want to pick it so early?
Yeah, it's not.
I don't think the answer is just a good king
who solves everybody's problem.
But I really do.
You'd be a good king.
No, I'd be terrible.
Go over Australia and be king of Australia.
We've got enough problems.
You could fix it.
I've talked about getting our own king many.
I did a show about it.
I really, I think an Aboriginal king would be--
Well, everybody can treat it.
Yeah, for sure.
That'll work.
Everybody wants the perfect system.
And it's not going to ever exist.
And I don't think it ever will, because I think
there's always going to be no matter what happens,
no matter who's in charge, no matter who's doing this,
there's always going to be people that oppose.
No matter what, naturally opposed,
even if illogically, it's never going to be perfect.
But you've got to make it the most fair.
It's got to be fair.
And as soon as you catch someone rigging the system,
that has to be alarm bells that go off
for everybody on every side.
If you find out that there was mail-in ballots
that were illegal and they were fake and they were brought in
so that the Republicans can win some sort of a primer,
if you found out that was true and you were a Republican,
you're supposed to be upset.
Like this is, someone is cheating
this incredible system that we have,
and you're not going to have the will of the people.
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- You got to make it seem fair enough
so that there's not a violent uprising.
- It's gotta be. - Like just for having a future
of the country. - It's gotta be the will of the people.
It's gonna be the people. - It's gonna be the will of the people.
- It's gonna be the will of the people.
- No, but that was those people.
There were some people there who were differently feds
trying to bring them into the building.
- Dude, I wonder how many were feds before that.
Here's the question.
There's a bunch of people that were feds at the scene.
They finally had to admit that.
We were talking about that. - We were calling for the capital.
- Yeah.
- That means, have you seen that the guy?
It's crazy. - It's crazy.
There's a bunch of people that called people
to go into the capital to break in.
And a bunch of them probably were feds.
But how many feds were on these chat groups?
How many feds were on message boards?
How many feds were instigating people to do things
and talking about things that aren't true
or saying things that they're playing?
How many feds were trying to get the cookies
to the cookie riled up?
- Yeah.
But then also like, why is the blame not on,
why did the Democrats not go?
We've contributed to making a system that,
even if this is a totally legitimate group of people
who really believe what they're doing
by storing the capital.
We've contributed to building a system
that looks really fake to a lot of people.
Where we could take really easy steps to make it look less fake.
Like you could have, I don't understand why voter ID
isn't everywhere and they go, well, not everyone has an ID.
- Well, it's racist. - Give 'em one.
- It's racist.
- What you're saying is racist.
- How hard could it be to go?
- Check your white privilege.
You are a street white male.
Why don't you just shut the fuck up and set us around?
- All the other races can have a photograph
taken of themselves just as easily
on a little emanated cut.
- All those other races, just a few years ago,
needed proof of vaccination.
So this is cookie.
- It's completely crazy.
- It would be, I, but then it's a little legal.
- It's a legal to actually bring it in.
- It's illegal to show your ID in California.
- Where? - California.
- You cannot show your ID when you vote.
- If you want to.
- You can't show your ID.
- You can't wear it on a land hit.
- Don't run your neck.
- They'll fire you.
They'll kick you out of there.
(laughs)
You can't vote now, sir.
I don't know what they would do if you came in with a lander.
That might be the move.
But the point is they made it easier to cheat on purpose.
Like, that's the only reason why you would do that.
And to say like it's racist to require ID,
how do I know who you are?
I don't know you.
There's a million people in this fucking town.
And this is like, one polling station
is lying around the block.
I don't know you.
I need your ID.
This is crazy. - There was a clip
from the Obama election that I remember
watching where they were talking to a guy.
It was like, they asked him,
have you ever voted before?
Is it not?
Did you vote?
He goes, yeah, it felt so good.
I went back and did it again.
(laughs)
And then they cut off to somebody else.
But I've always remembered that that felt.
- Yeah, if you don't have ID,
you could just change your clothes and go back in,
especially if you're in non-distributed, you know.
- I don't have an anti-Gavin use some bent,
but I don't understand why he's the guy
that dams are pushing.
- Because he's from a state that everybody agrees
is in a huge disrepair.
- He doesn't agree that.
- He thinks it's killing it.
- They can't build a train.
- No, no, it's great.
- They've wasted billions of dollars
trying to get a reasonably short distance
covered with a train.
- Listen.
- And he can't do it.
- They're gonna get it worked out.
He's gonna be president and then he's gonna fix it all.
The problem is Trump.
The reason why Trump is the real
bruise in why California's failed is Trump.
Once he gets into office, Trump will be out
and he'll fix the whole country.
And see, guys, you had to trust me on the long plan.
(laughs)
People will buy into it.
The reason why is 'cause there's no one else.
This is the reason.
- There must be so many health medics.
So many people that are rational out.
So many people that aren't corrupt, they force them out.
And then other people don't want their laundry dug up.
They don't want fake stories, don't about them.
They don't want ex-girlfriends to get paid off
to come up with crackpot theories of them
being a satanic person or whatever.
Drug addict abusive.
- All right, you did this.
- Only people who left the dead bear in the park.
- You should get like Bill Cosby as the candidate.
Well, people have Bill Cosby level statue.
This is my new idea.
- Okay.
- I'm here.
- Just someone who is so,
there's nothing blackmailed them with.
People already think this is one of the worst
people-- - I can't imagine the president.
- Right, you can't, everyone knows he had a dungeon.
We're the lady in there.
Okay, you can't blackmail Arkelli at this point.
So whatever Arkelli says he wants to do,
he probably wants to do that.
His reputation can't get any lower.
If you only put forward people who have done terrible things.
If Epstein was still alive, you could have him.
'Cause what are you gonna blackmail him with?
He was getting, he was doing all sorts of terrible things.
- Well, you would like to have a very good person
who just hasn't done terrible things,
'cause it's just a very good person.
- Yeah, you can just lie about them.
The only security against being blackmailed,
even about a lot.
- It's to be a total piece of shit.
- It's to be the worst man in the country.
- Right.
No one likes my idea.
- It's a good idea for now.
- I think what we're gonna really be able to know
within the next few years
is whether or not you're telling the truth.
I think with wearable electronics,
I think ultimately they're trying to do something
that allows you to communicate head to head.
Have you seen that stuff where they do it?
- I'm not getting that.
- I don't want to.
- Well, what they have right now is wearable.
These guys put it on, they think something,
and then the other person hears it.
- This is one of the worst things I've ever heard.
- Oh, you have to see it.
- You have to see it.
It's crazy when you watch them actually do it.
So right now, it's attached to an actual computer
behind them, but that's for now.
- Eventually, it's going to be wearable.
Just like everything, it gets smaller.
I mean, this is bigger than...
- You're so much more relaxed with the AI stuff
and the technology that I am.
- You can't.
- I'm fighting.
- If you see the asteroid coming,
you have to realize you're gonna die.
Like there's nothing you can do about it.
- The Amish have continued very happily.
- I don't think it's going to be as disastrous as everybody thinks.
I just don't believe that.
I think we'll figure it out.
But I think it's gonna be a massive upheaval
of our totally, completely our economic system,
our life system, the way we interact.
But we have to realize, this is what's really important.
The way we interact is really new.
The way we live in cities stacked in high rises
and driving around in cars.
This is a tiny little blip in time
that the human race has existed like this.
Before that, we had a totally different thing.
And for the longest time, people traded things back and forth
and they used gold coins and silver coins.
And there was no stock market.
Like this whole thing that we're doing right now
with automation and you're worried about it's taking jobs,
those jobs weren't even a thing in the past.
Yeah, we built this giant population
based on the fact that jobs would exist
or it gave people the confidence to procreate,
get married, enough kids, and this will find another way.
We'll have to.
People will have to, it's not going to be pretty.
But it's just like everything else that happens,
it's this massive change in society and culture.
We're going to have to adapt.
I mean, I'm in flight mode on it.
I want to be on an acreage.
You know, you get nervous when I play AI music
in the real room.
I do, when I go, this is good.
And you go, "Tai-ai!"
And I go, "Gah!"
Yeah, you love that country.
The country one I played the other day, that was good, right?
50 cent stuff is fantastic.
My favorite remains the Japanese cover of Oasis.
Have you heard Japanese Oasis?
No, I have not.
If you type in Japanese Wonderwall, it is...
Oh, I like it a lot.
Can we play it?
Can we play it, Jamie?
I've listened to it.
Or would it be an issue?
We've got to cut it out.
We have to cut it out.
I don't think anyone owns the rights to Japanese.
They might.
Somebody probably does.
If you wrote the song, "Wonderwall" do.
Really?
That's how that works.
The performance of this would be a different situation,
but...
I can do it now.
I can do it.
Bell is here.
You're getting a lot of trouble.
Is there...
Wonderwall Oasis cover, Japanese Enka, is the title on YouTube.
This is the right one?
I'm hoping so.
Yeah, new wave films is the page.
Oh, you have a problem.
I love this.
Stop this.
Stop this.
You're a sick man.
Buck, baby.
Why do you like that?
Why do you like that?
Because it's the...
The funniest voice of all time.
But it's weird.
It's like a real person.
It looks like an old video.
They've cut up an old video and put it over the AI.
Oh, that's what they did.
If you look very closely, you can find the original music.
And she's singing something.
Oh.
I thought it was like AI-generated video, because you could do that, you know.
I just...
I want to retreat from it.
I want to be on a farm.
I want to have chicken.
I know.
But this is also not like a serious way to build a society.
I'm shocked that no one's blowing up the servers.
Like when they invented the loom, people in Britain were like, "We will destroy all of
the looms."
No one is like upset now that robots can think.
Well, they don't know what to do, right?
Yeah.
And it feels inevitable because it is.
No one's going to stop it.
And if they did stop it, no one would listen.
And if we did listen, the problem is China's not going to listen.
And it's a Manhattan Project kind of race.
Yes.
But then you...
Okay.
We've got to get the nuclear bomb first.
But how does that pan out in the end?
Well, here's the nuclear bomb.
But here's the thing.
You have to have one.
Like if AI exists and they can take over your financial system, they could...
You're going to have to have AI, the combats AI, and your AI better be better than their
AI.
I like that.
And you have to have everything protected against AI.
I want to lose in a fabulous way that inspires people like amada.
That's what you want to do.
That's what...
That's what he's doing.
That's what he's doing in Australia.
No.
I mean, that should be your speech.
Yeah.
We're going to lose.
We're going to lose.
And people are going to be shocked.
They're going to respect how we lose.
This is the Christian message of getting defeated.
And that's the ultimate victory.
I think it's common, dude, whether you like it or not, and it's better if we have it
than if we don't.
If you're Papua New Guinea and the AI overlords come storming into your town, you have
no say.
It's over.
I don't know.
We've tried to have a say of a Papua New Guinea a couple of times.
They're very hard to manage.
Well, that's a very hostile place.
They're doing their own thing.
That is a very, like, forbidding jungle.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No one wants to talk about it in Australia.
Every time I try and talk about Papua New Guinea, at first, I didn't know about, like racists
would come at me at a party with facts that were like, "There's cannibalism in Papua New
Guinea."
Sometimes?
Shut up.
Yeah.
And then you look it up and you go, "Oh, God."
Oh, yeah.
There's a lot of cannibalism.
They probably ate a Rockefeller.
The Kennedys used to go there as well.
Do you know that one Rockefeller had heard about?
Yeah.
I think the Rockefeller who went.
Disappeared, though, right?
I think what happened was the first time he went, he insulted them because he wanted
something from them.
He offered, like, to give them some money or something for something that they had.
And they were like, "No."
And apparently, the article that I'd read was assuming that that was some sort of an
insult that he didn't understand.
And then when he came back, he got in a boat with them and they stabbed him immediately.
And then they brought him back to the shore and they murdered him.
This is from an account of another guy who, I think, was there.
It's a very mysterious case.
This guy could be full of shit because it's a very mysterious case.
The guy went there before or then he went back and disappeared.
But...
I mean, there are a lot of people who went back.
I know there was a Kennedy woman who went there and was, like, on a mission with people.
And she loved them so much.
She had a piano helicopter in, she had, like, a grand piano.
She was, like, not a ver...
She was a rich lady who didn't understand how things worked.
And then if you put a piano in the highlands of Papua New Guinea, you couldn't, like, maintain
that piano.
Duh.
But now that they're, like, just this village has a beautiful, old grand piano that definitely
doesn't work now.
But she was like, "I want to give you something."
How long did she live, therefore?
Ah, years.
There was a woman I used to go to church with who said she was there with her.
So don't insult them and they won't eat you?
Same simple.
Yeah, but how do you not insult people?
Over there, you don't.
I am.
They probably don't take you from John.
I know people who've done that.
I thought about living there for a while.
I thought that that would be, like...
For real?
I was looking it up.
I was seeing it...
Because it was cheaper.
So I thought when I was very poor.
Because it was near Australia.
I thought, like, yeah, this is rough.
Oh, in the air.
But I thought it was like living port Mozby and then just flying and out and doing gigs
in Australia.
What year is this?
1964?
So in 1964, they were having a bow and arrow fight.
I think this is going on to this day.
This is actually a tribal war.
Whoa.
They're trying to get them a football team.
See, man.
This is what people do.
They get people in the groups, they do that even in Papua New Guinea.
This is like a test of it.
Look at that guy's penis.
That's beautiful.
He's got like a big stick.
But this is also...
They haven't a great time.
What's going on with his dick?
I don't know.
What is that?
Who are we to judge?
Is that like a cone?
A cone over his dick?
Yeah.
Yeah.
They got cones over their dicks.
I've seen people on sixth-street dresses like this.
Those guys are ripped.
That's the kind of body you get if you just run around and shoot arrows all day.
Not a fat one amongst them.
Not one lazy motherfucker amongst them.
Every one of those dudes has to get after it every day.
A lot of dogs.
Kind of wild but they don't even wear clothes when they do this.
And they just close up, shoot, and arrows at each other.
This is...
What the cameraman is just getting them back?
And they have to turn around and run away.
That's a bit pissed.
It's so crazy.
These arrows fly.
Have I told you about my favorite ever...
I didn't know if I said it last time I was on.
My favorite ever Papua New Guinea video is at the rugby where the guys stormed the pitch.
Have I told you about this?
I don't know.
I want to watch a little bit more than tell me about that.
Because I'm fascinated by how shitty their strategy is.
I'm like, how did these guys make it this long fighting bow and arrow fights like this?
But this is like...
When you read the Iliato something, this is kind of how people are fighting.
There's like two big masses and then one guy steps down to get out.
I understand, but this is like really shitty weaponry.
Yeah.
Like, how have they not figured out better weapons?
You know?
Like, these are terrible bows and they don't have any feathers on their arrows.
Like, those things fly like shit.
Like, think of the Mongols and, you know...
Yeah.
The 1200s, they figured out the recurve, though.
What's it like?
The married just went out and got guns.
Like, they tried it for guns.
The Indians tried it for guns.
They didn't...
Well, I guess know what it was bringing guns to Papua New Guinea.
But maybe they had 64.
They were deciding.
Well, they must have.
Because they were involved in World War II.
They helped out.
These guys hate each other.
They were guaranteed if you gave them ARs with red dots.
They would just go run it through that field, mowing those motherfuckers down.
But they just haven't a good time.
Perhaps.
Oh, that guy got hit.
His penis kind of fell off.
No, he got hit.
Yeah.
See?
He had blood on his ribs.
What's that, Jamie?
What's that?
They're trying to help him in some way.
I don't know if he had like splinter stuck in his head.
It looked like he had blood on the left side of his body.
Yeah.
It was a whole little series there.
It was like close up.
It's not like surgery or something.
Right.
Oh, what are they doing?
He might have got stuck a few times, man.
Also, I'm not showing this on the screen because it's...
Right, right, right.
Topper root.
It's all sorts of stuff.
All sorts of shit.
A lot of dogs too.
Yeah.
It's like, you know, the thing about places like that is that place says it's the environment
is so hostile.
You know, it's so hostile to like to survive there for generation after generation after
generation.
You live a subsistence lifestyle.
You live off the land and everybody has to hunt and gather.
And if people come into your side, from the other side, these motherfuckers are trying
to steal your food.
They're going to...
You have to go to tribal war.
That's how they've been rocking it, probably, for thousands of years between that and
AI though.
There's a middle path between tribal war...
No, you can't.
Listen, you can't stop AI, buddy.
You can't stop AI.
I'm hopeful.
No.
How many movies do we have to have warning us that it was terrible?
All of them.
None of them works.
I don't think it does matter.
There's one movie saying it was a good idea.
It's inevitable.
It's inevitable.
It's inevitable.
You've got...
You just have to accept it.
You've to accept it and...
I can't do it.
...live your life.
We don't know what the change is going to be.
And I don't really believe that we're going to let it be entirely bad.
And I think it's probably better to have something like that than to not, when you're dealing
with things like...
The power grabs that are going on all over the world where they're trying to lock people
up for speech violations in the UK, it's 12,000 people this year, and they're making
people get digital ID, and they're doing all these different things like...
At a certain point in time, you're going to benefit from a super intelligence that can
rationally explain why this is no way to sustain a civilization.
I just...
I would like us to have some say over how we implement that.
I would like to...
Because we know...
Like, tell God what's telling me.
We've got that.
Beautiful church.
I know, but what we have to do is...
It's what you're asking, though.
Like, with cars.
You can use cars in a way that make a society great.
Like, if you have a...
But then you can also have cars that ruin a whole neighborhood, and a whole city, and
you can't walk anywhere.
And it's a big problem.
You mean, leaking oil?
What do you mean?
I mean, just having a freeway that cuts through for no reason, or not being able to walk
around the downtown.
Oh, right, right, right.
You can use it in a specific... the new "Pollity" magazine is what I've been reading
on this, where they're like Catholic guys in Steubenville who are like, "How can we, to
what extent, you know, can we choose to use technology in a way that's helpful to us,
and how much are we just like absolutely governed by what the technology becomes, and then
we have to be subservient to it.
Like, do we get to choose how we use technology around us, or are we just...
Why do you assume, though, that we're going to be subservient to it?
That's where it gets weird.
I think we're subservient to the cart, like no one wants to live in a...
When you see what cars do to certain cities in America, and you go like, like, it's so...
When you're in New Orleans, and you're walking around, and there's problems with New Orleans,
but like, you're walking around the French Quarter, which is like a design before cars.
It's so...
You can have music, you can like run around on the street, and it's like a beautiful
nice place to be compared to, like, a strip mall, when you build it the way people have
to live around what the cars are.
Do you know what I mean? Like, you can have...
Like the way that they build a freeway, and a weird block of houses next to it, and no
one can walk anywhere.
Like, you just can't get out on your legs anywhere.
Or, like, that seems like you're building it based on the car.
You're leaving the car, but you make the car have the maximum ease for how it can operate.
And you try and live in the shadow of that, rather than going, what's a nice way to live
as a person, and how do we use the car to increase our quality of life?
Right, right.
Like, can we use AI to make our lives better, or do we have to, you know, we can do digital
ideas.
Should we?
No.
Let me ask you.
What do you think is like worst-case scenario for AI?
Like, what are you really genuinely scared of?
Ah.
Man, it'd be a bunch of things.
I don't want to just start with the porno, but certainly the porno speaks me out, the
AI porno.
It's already here.
I think the writing and the ability to write and think and process information.
And that's definitely like carved away.
Like, if you look at kids in schools who are using AI instead of writing an essay, people
can't write five sentences together, because they're not developing the skill.
And you don't, you know, if people are getting a degree in something, already people were
outsourcing that to people to help them, you know, write an essay or something.
If you get like a bachelor of arts is increasingly worthless, if AI can do it for you.
And then you can, you can say, I know about history.
Right.
So like, I think the functionality of education, I'm terrified of that, falling apart and people
not knowing how to read people, which is already disintegrated, sure.
But I think this rapidly speeds that up.
I mean, I'm afraid of, as like an artist, if I want to go and like make a movie or something,
maybe I'm just like old fashioned and attached to the idea of having a camera and having people
act, but it's like I can increasingly see less and less reason that you'd have to do that.
And someone wouldn't just write it out and go, this happens in this scene, change that
guy's eye.
You know what I mean?
Like, there's something.
And more than anything, I get spooked out with the video.
And what scares me about the music is I hear the music, I hear the audio AI.
When you put on the songs and I go, this is actually very good.
This doesn't have an other world of equality to it.
This is actually just a good song.
It sounds like.
And when I see the video, I feel like I get the hibi jibis on the AI video.
Do you get that at all?
Yeah, a little bit.
And I go, this is, who is showing me this?
What is the intelligence behind this?
Well, it's a lie, right?
That's part of it.
But it's like a pretty damn good lie that you know it's going to get way better at lying.
Like, that's pretty good right now.
Like it's like when a four-year-old lies to you.
Yes.
Wow.
You're a 20.
What?
You're going to be a con man.
You know what I mean?
Like, you know it's got a real potential to be something that is, like I already see disaster
videos every day that aren't real, like every day I saw.
Someone sent me, like, like, one of those cruise boats going into a giant fucking bridge
and all the cars collapsing on top of it.
One of those massive cruise ships, it's totally fake.
And I can kind of pick it out right away.
I was like, I didn't hear about this.
This isn't real.
I think not fake.
And I'm watching it.
I'm like, yeah, it's fake.
Yeah, but it takes a minute.
But it takes a minute.
And it's not a half ago.
It didn't get the hands right.
Right.
And it's going to be, within a year, you're not going to be able to tell it all.
You're going to have no idea.
You have no idea.
There's so many animal attacks now that are fake.
There's so much that's fake.
But it's the price that you pay for the advancement and the capabilities of doing things.
I think there's still going to be a value that people want to go see a movie that someone
made.
Just like there's people out there that still live, you don't want to see live shows.
Like live shows are never changed.
There's a connection that human beings have at live shows, like Kill Tony we did last
night.
Yes.
How fun.
So fun.
The most fun.
I was one of the best ones that there's been.
It was really fun.
But that's a real moment that we all shared together.
Yes.
You can't recreate that with AI.
But there's a lot of things you can, and that's just a fact.
That's just how it is.
I don't think we can.
You can't change it.
I want, I just want more of that.
I want to live in a spontaneous society.
You can.
Well, hopefully more people will also choose to do something that's in their wheelhouse
to do along those lines.
As long as you still have a thing that you're trying to work towards, you're going to be
okay.
Like if, let's say if the real weird one is universal basic income, because this is
Elon is famously said, and I don't know what this even fucking means.
Not only will people have universal basic income, it'll be actually universal high income.
There'll be enough prosperity that everyone in the country will get a large, so you will
never have to work again.
But then the problem is you're completely dependent on the state if there is a state anymore.
Like what is the state when there's a digital God that you've created in the center of
the town, the zone nuclear power plant that's operating everything?
I have no logical rationale for why these things are terrible, but in my soul, it screams
out, let's not invent.
Yeah, because you love being a human.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
You love literature and you know, you're an interesting God.
You like a lot of cool music.
You love things that people make and create, and you create great comedy.
So it makes sense.
It makes sense that you feel the way you feel, and I share those feelings, but I'm also
a realist, and I'm one of those people that just goes, okay, buckle up.
Things are going to get weird because it's going to get weird.
It's going to get weird and people are going to get super angry.
There's going to be a lot of people there.
They worked really hard to get a job and that job is completely irrelevant now.
It's been taken a long time.
It's a job is irrelevant and then also like being able to, just like, there's a freedom
in being allowed to have a revolution.
And that's what this country was founded on, is that when things get bad and the people
cry out for a new form of government, they can go and get it.
And I think that chances of anyone in the world having a revolution shot through the floor
as soon as they invented robot dogs, they could chase you through the street.
And I haven't seen the footage of the robot dogs in a couple of years, but I bet they're
better than they used to be now.
Oh, yeah.
And it's like, okay, if we have the robot dogs, how is there going to be an effective
change of government?
Or is that, that's just it?
If you own the robot dogs, no one else is really going to be a threat to you as the ruling
class.
That's terrifying.
You just have a permanent ossification, like, you have a setting stone of what the ruling
class is going to be because they've got weapons that no one can challenge them with.
That's where it's case scenario, right?
And one of the things you have to think is why would AI let the working or the ruling
class decide what it does?
I mean, because I've got it.
Why would they listen?
No, no, no, no.
At a certain point in time, it's going to be sentient.
At a certain point in time, it's going to have its own robots that do its tasks like different
things that have to be built and structured and different things that have to be designed
and engineered.
It'll have that.
It'll have robots that work on the material sciences and all these different things.
But it'll be a god.
It'll be a digital god.
It's not going to listen to a person that says, arrest people for saying, you know, Muslims
shouldn't invade this country.
It's not going to be that.
It's not going to, it's not going to listen to you.
That's the real fear is that we're no longer going to be the apex predator of the planet.
It's not even going to be a predator, but it's just going to be so-
It could be predator.
Why would it be?
If it helped it.
Yeah, but why would it?
What would it, if it has any desires at all, if it becomes sentient, the real questions
would it do anything?
It might just exist.
If it really becomes brilliant and it really becomes all-knowing, it might just exist.
This might just say, figure it out on your own.
More than anything, I think I have a religious impulse against this, where this is creating
an idol.
Right, like this is, Moses comes down and goes, don't build the golden calf.
That's not your God.
We're building a very sophisticated golden calf.
Yeah.
Well, I always wonder how much of the stories from the Bible, like, especially the Old Testament,
like how old are those stories?
How long, what was the original thing that they were trying to document?
You're going to need not going to be what?
Oh God.
Rep Luna, same woman.
She got me into that, too.
She said, if you never read it, I said, no.
I've seen some passages online that were kind of kooky.
I got the audiobook, and what I really want to trip out, and I'm driving to the comedy
club.
I listened to Book of Enoch in the car.
It's completely benedict.
It's bonkers.
And it could have been included in the Bible.
That's what's not.
In some Bibles it's in it.
The Ethiopians gave it in.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They should have kept it in our Bible, too.
We would have a completely different version of the creation of man.
I mean, we do, what is it?
You have the wheel within a wheel.
Ezekiel.
Ezekiel.
Yeah.
I sat down.
I tried to read Ezekiel a couple of months ago.
I couldn't do it.
I couldn't wait through it.
And that made it in.
The good luck explaining any of that.
It's either Ezekiel had a UFO encounter or Ezekiel was tripping balls.
Yes.
Either one of those things, or both of those things together could be true.
I remember, I was listening to your podcast and I forget who you were talking to.
You were talking about hallucinogens and the judge.
I'm like people having miracle experiencing visions because they were on something.
And I remember thinking like, I think they could be the case, but also how low a stimulus
these people had in their everyday life.
Like if you're in a field every day, seeing nothing but a field for like, you know, you're
not eating very much.
And then once a week you go into this dark building and there's candle white and music
and incense and flashing things, that would probably unlock something strange.
If you had such an understimulated...
So a complete belief in what these people are saying.
Yeah.
There was no atheist back then.
There was no people that were like, ah, get out of here with all this God shit.
Everybody believed.
I think to a greater extent.
I think there's to it.
That's probably shoot a few atheists.
Yeah.
But it's probably way less.
Yeah.
Way less.
Like people are proud to be atheists today.
There's a strange pride.
There's less of them.
Ten years ago.
There's less.
They were writing high.
Did you ever see it?
They went every debate.
They were so proud.
Well, it was like Sam Harris.
He was really good at that.
And Christopher Hitchens was really mad too.
He was mad too.
Yeah.
Both those guys were really good at shutting down religious ideas.
But I think there's actually a religious style of thinking involved in atheism.
And I know a lot of people who used to be atheists that had psychedelic experiences that
gave up on any of that and said, okay, I don't know.
I think there's something else.
And I don't know what it is.
And I'm not going to say that there's no God.
Well, even Christopher Hitchens, I don't want to misrepresent him and people get angry
at me.
But he was not, I think his real views were closer to being agnostic than being an atheist.
Well, I think he used atheists as a lot.
But when you read him, he goes, oh, the universe is so incredible.
And there's so much out there.
And I don't know.
And I don't think these particular things are true.
But he didn't discount the possibility that there was a sublime.
Of course.
No.
He was a very rational guy.
Yeah.
You know, he just really hated religious zealotry.
And he really hated justifications for wars.
I mean, he was one of the harshest critics of Bill Clinton ever.
Like that guy was--
He did get behind a rock, though.
He did.
And he stuck with it for a long time.
He did.
Unfortunately.
That's just how--
You know, it's like, there was a lot of people that got caught up in that.
You know, they really did believe that that was a good idea.
You know, especially post September 11th, there was a lot of people that really believed
that this had to be done in order to protect us.
Man, it's like with everything, you find out more behind the scene stuff and what was
really going on with Kuwait and why did Iraq invade Kuwait in the first place.
Why did we go back to Iraq after we've been gone for so long?
It's like, oh, there's so much shenanigans.
Like always, always shenanigans.
No one is great.
Everyone-- you know, when Russell Crowe was here, your country meant the great and powerful
restaurant.
I never got to meet him, but I want to ask him so many questions.
That's time he's in town.
I'll-- yeah.
Well, you're going to be in your fucking shitty country.
I'll be back.
I'll come back and ask him.
I want to ask him about when he met Azalea Banks, and they got to do his scrap.
I do not think Australia's shitty.
I love Australia.
I'm just fucking--
Man, some of the things happening at the moment.
I think you'd be very upset.
Yeah.
The social media man found the--
The people are fucking awesome.
I love Australian people.
I have had more fun in Australia than almost any other country I've visited.
Fucking love it there.
They're fun.
They-- they don't-- they know how to party.
They're generally friendly.
It's true.
Yeah.
I think we also-- we love not having to pay attention.
Like that's one of our freedoms.
It's just-- don't bother me.
Leave me alone.
Make me feel safe.
Right.
And so when there is a thing like this shooting, we just want to go, well, take care of it.
Right.
Get rid of the problem.
Right.
And then the problem is guns.
Go get the guns.
Now, the problem is people are willing to use the guns.
Because if people only have knives, and they'll run around and stab people.
You know, if you have access to a car, you can drive through people.
This is-- the problem is people.
Yeah.
And the problem is also you can't have defenseless cops.
You don't have cops.
Cops don't have guns.
Your cops have to have guns.
I think there was like a chubby detective who took the shot.
Who got it done.
And he was standing like 40 yards away.
He was a long way away with the pistol.
Oh, boy.
And that is the red dot.
No, he was--
Really?
He was-- he was like, he's wearing a white shirt.
I think there's a grandfather of him.
Sounds like he was ready to die.
Do you have a rifle?
You showed him with a rifle or a pistol.
Pistol.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, it was like, I think I'm getting this right.
I'm seeing it all through--
Oh, social media.
Not being there is weird.
I have no idea what the vibe is in the country right now.
The thing is, like, they're never going to give you the guns back.
It's never going to happen.
Like, they're going to try to take them more and more and more.
And once you let them have any-- it's just normal, man.
When people get some control of you, they want ultimate control.
When they have a little bit of power, they want maximum power.
Yes.
And it's just the game they're playing.
But I think we don't love freedom the way Americans love freedom.
It's unfortunate.
I think I stick out and it's weird.
But we actually-- like, we don't have a freedom of speech law.
And people seem really calm about that.
People go like, it's good not to have proper freedom of speech.
Because we can make everyone cohere and be together.
And they're happy with that.
And they're comfortable with--
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That, by and large.
I mean, you wouldn't tolerate that here for a second.
It's not good.
It's just not good for-- because it depends on who's in power.
You have the best people that have ever lived or in power.
And there's benevolent, beautiful people
that only want a cooperative, healthy society.
And they figured out how to do it.
But no one's figured out how to do that.
So stop.
I don't know. Sometimes I look at the Japanese.
They've got it down.
I stay up late and I watch Japanese videos of just like,
just the streets of Japan when they're walking around
and they're going on their little vending machines.
Super polite.
Super polite.
They kind of have children.
But they're very happy on what.
That's a problem.
No one's breathing.
No one.
I can't--
You've bred and I'm breeding.
But in general, the birth rate is collapsed.
Well--
The Japanese are worse than the Japanese have it.
The Japanese have it real bad.
South Korea has it real bad too.
South Korea is down to like half a child per lady.
It's got something crazy like that.
Yeah.
Is it because they became career obsessed?
Is that what it is?
Like, my friend Eve lived there for a while
and she was telling me about what's happened
with the feminist movement there.
And like, he's a woman of swearing off of men.
They go, this is the adjudity to feminism
is to never be in a relationship with a man.
Do you know that was one girl that couldn't get fucked?
That started off for all the other girls.
She's very good at hating.
She's a hater.
She's a hater.
And she's bad that nobody wanted fucker.
She's like, no, we're going to say no to all of it.
No, we're going to say no to all of it.
It worked.
I mean, they--
I don't--
I mean, you've got a bunch of kids.
Yeah.
I enjoy having them.
We're about to have the fourth one.
And I know some people who have--
like, people I went to school with, it's now dawning on me
that that's weird that I've had children.
And most people will have one in my cohort.
Or none.
Like, I just thought at some point I was starting a bit early.
But I'm seeing my generation just--
the numbers are panning out.
People are not having any kids.
You get to a certain age and you go, oh, that's it.
I guess you're not--
you're not ever--
it's a part of life that you've decided not to experience.
And I don't--
I don't know if it's people want to be in control.
They want to have enough money.
Before they start having kids, they want to have, like,
be set up nicely.
Or if--
Some people don't want to have kids.
A lot of people.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
I really don't.
Sure.
My opinion.
I think you can have a full and fulfilling and wonderful life
without children.
I do not think that everyone's the same.
I do not think that I should ever be able to tell you
what's right or what's wrong when you're not hurting anybody.
You're not hurting anybody but not having any kids.
I-- but I think there are a lot of people
who'd like to have kids who are not having--
or think like--
Well, there's a lot of men that don't want to commit.
And there are a lot of ladies to stick with them.
And then there's ladies that want a career.
And maybe they wait too long.
Yes.
And there's a lot of factors.
There's a lot of also environmental factors
that are dropping men's sperm count, increasing miscarriages.
This is microplastics or a real issue.
I do think that thing about staying with a lady too long is--
I'll say this for Leonardo DiCaprio.
He releases--
It's time.
It's time about that.
25th.
Yeah.
If he's very precious, he is away from you.
I don't think that's what he's doing.
I think he's a good man.
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I think he's a kind man.
He's like some young.
Like some young.
Which would be great if he was a woman.
So if he was a woman, if he was a 50-year-old woman,
and only banged 25-year-old guys,
and he looked, you know, or she rather looked hot for a 50-year-old,
like he does for a 50-year-old man, who cares?
There's a weird thing happening with women in this country
where if a man dates a woman slightly younger than them,
he's accused of being a pedophile.
Like a man will be dating a 20-70--
He'll be like 40 dating a 27-year-old lady
and people go, "How fucking dare you?"
Right.
Ah.
Right.
I think that's got to be allowed.
I think you've got--
I mean, that man last night who was--
That was a bit spooky.
The gay man who had the--
Why was that spooky?
Ah, because he was in his 40s, and his lover was--
In his 20s.
Yeah, but then when did the relationship start?
People's--
Five years ago?
Okay.
And then what he said?
I'm going to have to do some maths.
No, maybe he said 10.
Ten years ago.
I've got to do some maths.
People definitely breathed in in the room.
Yeah.
But it's a guy.
So he dated a 20-year-old guy when he was--
No, I think we should let young gay men develop.
I don't know.
Let him do whatever the fuck they want to do.
If you're an 18-year-old man and you've decided you're gay
and you live with a 50-year-old gay man, who gives a sh*t?
I don't think this date should get involved in this.
I don't think this date should get involved.
I don't think anybody should get involved once you're 18.
But in that situation, it is different.
You look at it differently then.
It's like, when the ages get up.
Like, say, say, if someone's 20 and they're dating a 25-year-old
normal, you know what you like.
Yeah.
But if you're 20, you're dating a 60-year-old.
Or you're 20, you're dating a 70-year-old.
Yeah.
Things get really weird.
You know?
That's when things get really weird.
It's like, what's going on here?
Like, why are you dating this 27-year-old?
You're like, why wouldn't you date a 27-year-old?
Yeah, I would, but I'm 35.
That's normal.
Why are you the 70-year-old dating the 27-year-old?
Because she's willing.
Yes.
Because she's willing.
Is she not a grown woman?
She is, right?
Okay.
What are we doing here?
You're mad.
You're mad that the age gap is so wide.
Like, why is you feel--
There's this.
Jamie, how dare you?
How dare you bring that up?
Bro.
Uh, he wins.
He went--put that picture back up.
Well, Jamie's not willing.
He wins in a huge way.
I don't give a fuck what he has to do.
I don't care if he makes her the head of his charity.
Whatever.
She's hot as fuck.
Let's go.
She's 24.
How old is he?
70.
Maybe 70.
He wins.
Okay.
He wins.
It's worth it.
Whatever he has to do.
Whatever mockery he--
Yes, it is.
When I came to this country--
He was a severe man who people were afraid of.
Listen to me.
He had red ability.
He still does.
No, and now he's doing weird photoshoots on the beach.
Hey, you got to do what you got to do.
But listen, he gets to fuck her.
He wins.
There's got to be.
Listen, it's a deal.
They got to deal.
He's fishing.
He caught a mermaid.
Great.
Imagine that photo shoot.
That's her idea.
This poor guy, he wants to go drink martinis.
No, hang out at the beach.
There's something about having gravitas
that no amount of having sex with a mermaid woman.
Can gravitas by yourself?
Sitting there with cigar and a whiskey?
Yes.
Looking cool.
How long do you need to be able to have sex for?
I'm waiting for it to go away.
At some point, I'm not going to take the blue tree
when it starts to disappear.
I'm happy.
Honestly.
You say that now.
I do say that now.
You say that now.
Let me go.
You said--
It's such a dirty impulse.
I'm sick of it.
You're lying.
I get to be 70.
And I cannot get an erection.
I will say, this is OK.
OK.
I can do other things with my time again.
You definitely can.
Yeah.
But it'll also mean to decrease in your vitality
as a human being, which is not fun.
Because it leads to depression.
You're going to be tired all the time.
It's all connected, buddy.
There's got to be a way to have a fulfilling life
and not be horny constantly.
No, I haven't found that.
Of course.
But I'm sure it's out there.
Of course.
There certainly is.
There's a lot of people that are completely asexual
and they have a fine life.
I don't trust them, though.
No, it's always weird.
But I think it's Boonwell who has a line about like,
maybe it's Plato.
I don't know.
It's like when I got all there and I wasn't horny anymore,
it was like being--
I was unshackled from a madman.
Right.
Well, didn't--
was it Tesla that did that?
OK.
There was some references to Tesla in quotes
destroying his manhood.
Because he had gotten some sort of infatuation
with a woman at one point in time.
And apparently was ruining his life.
So this is a weird thing about Tesla.
There's a lot of fake stories about him.
So it's hard to separate the wheat from the shafts.
You know what I mean?
We're from the shafts.
But he did fall in love with a pigeon.
OK.
Tesla had a pigeon that he loved dearly.
But when I bring that up when they said
he had a limitless source of energy that he had access to,
then I was going, and he fell in love with a pigeon
and made him destroy his penis.
No, I think the woman made him destroy his penis.
I don't know if he did.
You know, he might have taken something
to like chemically castrate them.
They used to do that to pedophile priests.
Yeah.
They'd give them like salt peter to keep them from being--
I don't know what salt peter is.
No, I don't know salt peter,
but I know about the castration of people.
Yeah.
Oh, that too.
I mean, maybe personally castrate themselves.
What is salt peter?
It's something that they used to give priests
to keep them from getting horny.
I don't know what it is.
It would kill their desires.
What is it called?
It's called salt peter.
I think it like spelled peter.
I was just looking at--
Before I get to that,
Nikola Tesla reportedly died a virgin.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So that lady that he was infatuated with
was probably the first time he got rock hard.
Salt peter's potassium nitrate.
He was using his energy for other things.
He definitely was.
He was having a fulfilling life.
And he definitely is doing well.
It was doing well doing that.
That probably would have stolen a lot of resources
from his inventing.
And so what is salt-- can you put salt peter up?
Yeah.
Cool, so we can see what it does.
It's a nitrate.
I don't know.
Let's see what it does here.
Salt peter, primarily potassium nitrate,
a natural mineral historically crucial for gunpowder,
but also used today as a fertilizer fruit preservative,
curing meats, and for sensitive teeth and asthma relief.
It's a source of nitrogen,
mine from caves, or made by mixing nitrates,
and while once believed in aphrodisiac,
it's a myth, though it's curing roll is real.
Aphrodisiac.
Yeah, that's the opposite of what you want.
Right.
No, please put into perplexity.
Where does the story, or whatever,
the issue with salt peter and priests come from?
Where does that story come from?
Because I remember hearing that when we were kids,
that they would take a pedophile priest
and they'd give him salt peter.
And we're like, what?
The myth that sociizing salt peter
with suppressing pre-sexual urges
stems from medieval and renaissance beliefs.
That's how all I am, son.
When I was a kid, there was a talkative.
Medieval and renaissance beliefs in alchemy and folk medicine.
During that era, salt peter was prescribed
in mineral baths or potions
as an infallible cure for victims of love potions.
I was like, you're a love potion.
You got to hit with a love potion
alongside substances like aluminum, antimony, and sulfur.
This notion evolved into broader folkloric claims
of its anaphyrodisiac properties,
never seen that word before.
Later applied to institutions like militaries, prisons,
and monasteries, though no historical evidence
ties it specifically to priests' food.
So here's the thing.
If it gives you nitrogen, and it, like,
thought of as an afrodisiac.
You don't want to give that to a pedophile?
Right, is that something new?
Did they trick him and say, you know what?
If you give me this, it'll kill my dick.
Meanwhile, it's like...
It's getting me killed.
It's getting me killed.
It's getting me killed.
You know the...
Only like medieval medicine.
They were still bleeding people until like the 1870s.
Oh, yeah.
I was reading about that this week.
Someone, some famous person,
that's how he died from...
It was at George Washington.
Wasn't it...
They bled him too much?
I think George Washington, like, insisted on them
bleeding him more than the physician advised.
Bloodletting?
Bloodletting.
Yeah.
Wasn't it George Washington?
Shane knows a lot about Washington.
He...
That's like...
He hasn't done it yet,
but if ever he decides to do a long swarm podcast
on the Civil War.
He should do a long swarm podcast on history.
Period.
I was telling him that.
Oh, and his death involved extensive bloodletting.
George Washington, a common 18th century medical practice
that likely hasn't his demise from a throat infection.
The query George Washington bloodletting.
Whoop.
Appears to be a misspelling.
I detected it too fast.
No worries.
Bloodletting practice.
Doctors bled...
Why do they include that in AI?
AI is correcting you.
They're fucking...
No, it looks like you.
It looks like AI is kind of fucking with you a little.
Doctors bled multiple blood Washington multiple times
in December 14th, 1799.
We're moving about 80 ounces, roughly 40% of his blood volume.
Imagine they thought it was a good idea to take your blood out
while you're dying.
They're like for hundreds of years they would do it.
Fuck.
And maybe it does have some benefits that I should look into.
I doubt it.
Yeah.
She got a throat infection.
They take your blood out.
Imagine the days when they hadn't figured out antibiotics yet.
Oh.
Will we get to enjoy them for...
I mean, at some point they'll stop working, right?
Like we'll get.
I mean, there's resistance strains of MRSA.
MRSA is staff infection that you can't cure with antibiotics.
It's very dangerous.
When people get it, I've had friends that got it.
It's horrific.
It eats holes in your body.
I had a buddy of mine who had it done on his knee.
His whole knee, like he was at the hospital
and he sent me a picture of them what they had done to his knee.
They'd split his knee open down the middle.
They'd pulled it open to clean it all out and disinfect it.
It was so insanely infected from this medical resistance
to have infections.
He was on an IV drip 24 hours a day.
He stayed in the hospital for weeks for this fucking infection.
We didn't have that kind of staff infection before antibiotics.
Right.
It's a major cause of death in this country.
Yeah.
And in the food, right?
It's in the meat.
What is?
Antibiotics.
We feed.
I remember someone saying that's the real problem
is that we're giving it to the cows.
We just put it in their feed.
Well, I think the reason they do it, supposedly.
There's a lot of comfort.
If you get an organic steak, grass fed organic,
most people believe that that is the healthiest version of beef
because that's an animal that's not being given any hormones,
not being given any antibiotics and is eating grass,
which is what they're supposed to.
Now, when they eat corn, sometimes they get these weird abscesses
and they get problems digesting.
It's not natural food for cows.
That's why they get so fat.
Like, the reason why they get that marbling,
that's the fucking dying.
Like, we're giving them terrible food
and their meat tastes different.
They're like wagyu beef, they're feeding them beer, I think.
Oh, brother, barely alive.
Yeah.
When you see that beautifully marbled piece of wagyu beef,
that's a very sad animal.
That's a very depressed animal.
They depressed the fuck out of that thing for it died.
I didn't realize they were not feeding cows grass for like,
until I was in the grocery store and they had like,
this is grass-fed milk.
It's like, what the fuck's the other one?
Corn.
This is news to me.
Yeah.
It's interesting because I was reading this thing about certain
pasture-raised eggs that you get that are really bright orange.
Yeah.
And you think, oh, this is a really healthy egg.
What actually was going on was they were feeding the chickens turmeric
and they were feeding the chickens a bunch of things
that affected the color of their eggs.
And these eggs were high in vegetable oils
because, I think, Alphalde--
I don't remember what acid it is.
Alphalde poke?
What is it?
No, that's a supplement.
Whatever it is.
They were realizing that the chickens were eating mostly grain.
Yeah.
And then they were making it look like they were eating all these insects,
which is usually what you get when you get a chicken that has like a real rich,
like a natural-raised chicken.
If it's just a rich orange yolk, that thing's eating bugs and all kinds of stuff.
That's what it's supposed to eat.
So they were like pretending by giving these chickens turmeric
that would make their yolk like a really bright orange
and then they were giving them corn.
So they were pretending these chickens were running around in a pasture
but they were just dumping a pile of things to get as fat as quick as possible
and then feeding them some very dust that makes their eggs look brighter.
This is in the same thing as AI for me, where I just want to be in a field, in a cottage.
That's my chicken over there.
And I know where it is.
I don't know.
I want to kill that chicken and relate it as a family.
Well, there's nothing wrong with that living on a farm,
especially like a small individual farm.
It's probably a very harmonious way to live in nature.
But you do have to make a lot of money too.
You have to really thrive in the system to go and get that now.
Isn't that crazy because that used to be the way poor people lived?
Yeah, I yearn to live like a poor person.
I think 150 years ago.
Harmonious for human beings to live like that.
Everybody that I know that lives like that will kind of tell you that it seems right.
I think people live like that for so long.
I think it feels normal for them.
And they're totally self-sustaining as opposed to someone who just relies on these trucks
to keep showing up at the grocery store.
I mean, also, at some point, I know RFK came in with trying to do a lot of things
to improve the food.
And I don't know how many are going through it.
But I, at some point, people will get sick enough, I think.
You have to have some sort of change.
I mean, my wife has become gluten-free since coming to America because she's become gluten-free.
Like she could have gluten her whole life.
Something in the weight here.
I don't know what they're doing to it.
There's a lot of things.
It's not good.
Well, one of the things is the excessive use of glyphosate.
Glyphosate is in a lot of different things.
There's a bunch of pesticides.
It's a bunch of different chemicals that they put
into modern bread.
What was it, bromine, is that one of them?
There's a guy who we played a video of him breaking it down.
Remember that video, Jamie?
But what's wrong with bread in America?
See if you can find that.
It's very enlightening.
Because it's one of those things you realize.
Like, oh, this is all to make it shelf stable.
So it stays good forever.
And they've made more complex gluten in the wheat.
Because that way you get a higher yield per acre.
And they've all made it to create all this intolerance.
You get gut inflammation if you eat too much of it.
You feel terrible.
It was the only thing people would eat.
You would just eat bread.
You get a loaf of bread for the wake.
And you'd have whatever mate you could have next to it.
But like, surely, we don't need that at this point.
Like, we can have...
The problem is, in just real agriculture,
is kind of taken over in this country.
And if you want to make money,
that's really kind of the only way to make money farming.
It's really difficult to run regenerative farm
and have it be like really profitable
the way these enormous,
like, industrial farming situations are.
You're not supposed to have monocrop agriculture.
Like, that's crazy.
You're not supposed to have 1,000 acres of corn just growing together.
That's kooky.
Like, no one has that in the wild.
That's not normal.
So this is supposed to be genetic diversity.
It's supposed to be animal shitting everywhere.
It's all feeds into each other.
That's what they do in regenerative farms.
But they're yield is so much lower than a farm
that stacks all the pigs into a warehouse
and has them shit into a lake.
I have seen the...
The wheat little tunnels where they put the pigs into it.
It's not nice.
It's disgusting.
It's disgusting.
But then...
But that's how you get jack-in-the-box on every corner.
That's how you feed a million people that aren't growing.
Oh, you don't want to lose jack-in-the-box.
You don't.
No, I'm not suggesting.
You lose jack-in-the-box.
Or any of these places.
But I'm just saying that we've kind of painted
ourselves into a corner where you have no one
working in food production.
Yeah.
You have a small amount of people in these cities
that even understand where their food is coming from.
Everybody's just assuming it's going to show up.
You're going to go to the nice restaurant.
You sit there and you have a filet mignon and a glass of wine.
You have no idea where anything came from.
Sure.
And you don't have to.
But that's a luxury that most people don't realize
is a luxury until something like the pandemic happens
and everything shuts down.
And then you go, oh, no foods coming in.
Oh, where do we get food?
Oh, my God.
We have to learn how to hunt.
This is like the AI hope, right?
Is that it takes care of all the...
Like, we can have super-abundance
and we can return to an organic...
Well, the first thing I would say to the AI is
how do you fix crime-ridden cities?
How do you do that?
How do you do that ethically?
You may not like the answer.
Well, I don't want it to give you...
It might say they're in land with hoods.
Here it is.
Let's put this.
No problem.
What?
I've been gluten-free in...
15 years, I've been gluten-free in...
I don't know.
America.
Can't eat it.
That's because in America, what we call bread
can't even be considered food in parts of Europe.
See here in America, it's not so much the gluten
as what we've done to the grain.
About 200 years ago, we started stripping the brain in germ
or the fiber in nutrients to make flower-shelf stable,
also nutritionally dead.
Because the nutrients were gone,
we enriched it with folic acid,
which a large majority of the population
can't even metabolize,
therefore many people experience fatigue,
anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation.
But then the bread wasn't white enough,
so they bleached it with chlorine gas,
and the bread didn't rise enough,
so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromide,
which has been in several countries like Europe,
the UK, and even China.
Then we wanted a ramp up production,
so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat
before harvest, causing endocrine disruption
and damaging your gut.
So now your bloated, brain fog, tired, and blamed gluten,
but gluten is just the scapegoat.
The real issue is ultra-processed chemically altered,
bleached, broimated, fake vitamin-filled wheat,
soaked in glyphosate.
This isn't bread.
This is.
I need some--
That's it.
I like that they had sweet dreams plan
in the background there.
Yeah, I mean, I will look--
when I'm back in Australia,
I will look forward to having normal bread.
Human bread.
So fucked up.
So fucked up.
You got to escape the nice bread.
Done to our food.
It's the same thing they've done to our governmental systems.
It's like money.
Money gets in.
These hores.
They ruin it all.
Yeah, you got it?
Hores.
You know, it's okay.
Money is also great.
Oh, yeah?
I'm not against money.
You should be.
I'm a little bit against money.
Oh, yeah?
And what way?
I don't want to make decisions in my life about how to--
what would result in having more money.
You've got to be able to provide for your family.
But I think--
You see enough people in this business sell out,
and people have really lost the language of selling out.
Like it's gone.
Like in the 90s, that guy's a fucking sell out.
That guy's doing--
You know, you do the wrong sort of music on an album
that accused you of selling out.
So I'm not advocating for that.
But like--
I mean, there are definitely--
there are people out there doing ads for things.
That it's nuts that they're getting away with it.
Like people who do--
Like rich guys who are doing gambling commercials.
And I don't mind gambling.
I'm open to gambling.
I enjoy gambling.
We do gambling commercials.
We do gambling commercials on this podcast.
And I may be open to doing it myself in the future.
But when I do see--
We do trafficking.
Samuel Will--
I don't even mind that as much.
I mind--
Why is it different than Samuel Jackson reading for gambling?
I'm sorry.
I don't know draft kings enough.
But there are things like--
In Australia, we got bet 365, which is like--
They've turned it into a social media app slash gambling software.
OK.
So it's where you go to socialize and gamble at the same time.
And that does give me a strong Iq factor.
Yeah.
That's what we're all talking about that.
The problem in Australia with gambling as well.
Yeah.
I don't see anything--
When I look at bookie apps in America and things,
it's just like I'd like to put a bet on that.
And I get money if it wins and not if it loses.
We're in a more strange, advanced--
We've been doing it for a bit longer.
And it's further down the line.
Draft kings has all that kind of stuff.
Where you get bet on weird prop bets.
Yeah.
And you can do multibets and things like that.
But I don't think it is affected the character of men in this country
the same way that it's done in Australia.
We have more freedom.
You guys are a little children over there.
It's also our only outlook in gambling.
Yeah.
I think we outgambled Singapore.
We're number one in the world per capita.
No, we put you to shame.
But like--
You guys can handle it.
You guys can handle it.
People in distress.
Gambling?
Yeah.
Yeah, we--
The country's in distress.
That's why you guys have a gambling problem.
I mean, we really have a fucking huge gambling problem.
It's not bad.
It's really not bad.
It's just-- it makes it hard to have a conversation with a guy.
Really?
Look at--
72.8% of Australian adults gambled within the previous 12 months.
80.5% for men.
It's 66.2% for women.
Look at the last 8% of Australian gambled at least once per week.
48% of men and 28% of for women.
28% for women.
When you see a woman who's betting on sports,
something inside of you guys.
What--
What are you doing?
I'm fun.
This is our horrible thing.
No.
Let's let you fuck up too.
I have been to your Poke Rooms in America.
That's what we call them.
Poke Rooms.
Like a Poke Rooms.
Pokey?
Yeah.
The Pokeys.
You're like a Poke--
No, you're like poking on the machine all the time.
That's what we call them the Pokeys.
Oh.
But like in America, you'll be in a casino and the floor
has all these fruit machines.
Pokeys.
Yeah.
But like, people are still like smiling and talking to each other
and every pub in Australia, there's like a back room
where sad, twisted old people are just like sitting in front of a machine.
Yeah.
Hours.
You get that in Vegas too.
It's just extracting money.
I didn't see that.
Yeah.
It's sucking your attention in their lives.
It's sucking your attention in their lives.
It's extracting money and it makes your dull life a little bit more exciting.
20% of the world slot machines are in Australia.
Yeah.
Yo.
You guys are a buck wild.
No.
That's how they keep you broke.
I'm against it.
But also, yeah, if I've had a couple of drinks and it's a Friday night,
I'll go and play the Indian Dreaming.
Well, here's the thing.
You're smart enough to not get fully addicted to playing those machines.
But not everybody is.
It's a smart thing.
I think I have enough going on in my life.
Right.
Definitely.
There are smarter people than me who have been lost to it.
But that's all it, right? Like, you don't need a distraction.
Your distraction is the thing you're enjoying in your life.
Yeah.
You've got a lot of things going on in your life.
You don't want to do that.
If I wasn't doing stand-up and if I wasn't doing,
if I didn't have a loving family.
And you had a shitty job.
Oh, man.
When I did have a shitty job,
I was door to door salesman and I was buying the scratch-off cards every day.
Every single day I would buy them.
And I didn't know why I was doing it at first.
It looked like I'm knocking on people's doors
and trying to give them cable television when they don't want it.
I'm going to need a little something to help.
Oh, man.
I think I started drinking in the afternoons.
Really?
I hated it.
I hated it.
It made me lose when I went to knock on the doors and trying to give...
They would take us out to the worst remote communities
because they'd go, "These people will buy."
Like, the nasty in the neighborhood
the more people are likely to buy from a salesman,
the less they have in their life.
You try and go to a middle-class neighborhood.
No, I'm going to talk to you.
You'd go out to a weird remote poverty
and boy, I sold a lot of cable television.
Really?
Yeah.
Was it dangerous?
Yeah.
There were...
[laughter]
Because you're knocking on the doors of, like,
I went up to Port Augusta in the worst neighborhoods there.
This is like hours and hours away from a major city.
And the company I was doing it for, like, said,
"We looked up the poverty statistics
and we're sending you to the worst possible places
you'll sell more."
Matt, no, people were...
I remember there was an Irish lady
who got attacked who was working with us.
And I think I have a...
I have, like, weird things happen
where people have to go into someone's house
and then be, like, weird stuff on the floor.
I went into one person's house
and there was a woman passed out on the floor bleeding
and they were always like, "She's fine.
Don't worry about her."
What was she bleeding from?
Her head?
What?
Yeah, she was apparently all right
and she was...
But she was passed out.
I don't know what happened.
All right.
She's bleeding from her head and she's...
It wasn't like a huge amount of blood.
But she was on the floor and there was blood.
And they just assumed she was okay?
I made it out of it.
Quick smile.
They were like, "She's fine.
Don't you worry about it."
I don't know why this is coming back to me now.
I haven't thought about that in about 10 years.
Did you think that maybe they hit her?
And then maybe you are a witness to it?
Or maybe they killed her?
And then we're gonna have to kill you?
I don't know why this is dribbling at me now.
I definitely saw her.
She had a beard.
I remember.
And she was a...
That was very calm about it.
They were relaxed and they wanted to keep having a conversation about buying the cable television.
And how that would let them watch the football.
And then she was okay.
And I wasn't to worry about her.
And I think I got out of there and kept knocking on people's doors.
And I think I called anybody.
Whoa.
Sorry.
I didn't know where that was buried.
Maybe she was fine.
Maybe she's a drama queen.
Maybe she hit her head on purpose and then fell down.
I mean, I was seeing a lot of passed out people in the streets there.
In the streets there.
Drunks and drugs and...
Yeah.
Did you ever get almost get robbed or anything?
I think I got threatened.
There was a guy who was having sex one time.
And was very unhappy that I was kept knocking on the store.
And I thought he was gonna hit me.
But that was the baddest baddest it got.
Did he come out with his dong hanging out?
He was grabbing his pants in a weird way.
His lady had been at home and she said,
"Come back when my husband's home at this time."
And then he can decide if he's gonna buy it.
And then I came back right at that time.
And I think he just got right home and started it right now.
Let's do it.
And then he said, "Get the fuck out of here!"
Australian men being angriest.
We go into a new gear of lack of control.
Well, it's a prison population.
And we like that.
We don't want to be free.
We want a nice warden who's gonna take care of it for us.
But you don't.
No, there are many things that are upsetting me about going back.
You got to become King of Australia going back.
If they'll have me, I'm thinking of running for the Senate.
You might win.
I've got policy.
The Senate's more winnable in the street.
Are you seriously thinking about running for the Senate?
We have like 12 people from each state.
One day is my fantasy.
Really?
In each state, there's like 12 people who get to be the senator from there.
And in a double dissolution, you only need like 8% of the vote to get into the Senate.
And if you're in a small state, that's not a huge number of people.
So we get wacky people going to the Senate.
And it effectively has the same job that the American Senate has.
Like it's a huge amount of power.
And you get to veto things.
You get to do inquiries and stuff.
Yeah, we've had Pauline Hansen is there at the moment.
She's been there for a while.
We had Jackie Lambie for a long time.
We get nutty, interesting people in the Senate.
It's the only bit where a bit of life and color gets into our politics.
Because we've got our house.
Yeah, our house, our lower house is not as exciting as yours.
You get more.
You get, what's Jasmine Crocket?
Yeah.
You get Jasmine Crockets in your parliament.
You guys don't get, not as much.
How lockdown is politics in Australia?
So lockdown.
Yeah.
And there's like, so it's, it's not first, you guys vote and you just go first pass the post.
And if you get, you know, if someone gets 50% of the vote, that's it.
They've got it.
We do ranked voting.
So it's like you put in six, there's six people.
You put them in order.
And then like kind of the least bad one.
The one that the least number of people this like gets in.
So you get really boring people.
And also the parties don't primary.
And this is, I keep talking about how this is great in America.
You're like the only country that does this.
Well, that was why I was a real problem.
The Democrats didn't do it.
They didn't do it at, yes.
For the presidency.
They really didn't do it legitimately.
But since 2016.
But on a local level, someone like.
In 2016, it wasn't.
AOC can get in to be her.
Sure.
Like that's even that level of public involvement is globally unheard of.
Right.
No one else is doing that.
Right.
Federman, those kind of people.
Federman should not, like you just look on a paper.
There's no way the Democrats wanted him to be their guy.
There's no way the people in charge of that party said, I think this is a guy who's going to tow the party line.
Well, I think once he got in, he became much more aware of how corrupt the system was.
Like talking to him was interesting.
He's a very nice guy, by the way.
Like a real genuine nice guy.
And I've run into him in other places.
I ran into him with the inauguration.
He was wearing a car heart hoodie and shorts at the inauguration.
I'm not bullshitting.
I gave him a big hug.
He's a sweet guy, like a genuinely sweet guy.
And I think he got into that system.
And he was like, hey, this is not what I said.
That guy's been doing charity work his whole life.
It's a genuinely good person.
And he got into it.
And he's like, this is not what I signed up for.
This whole thing is fucking crazy.
When he also had the brain thing happen.
That's true.
And then he, I watched that debate.
That he won.
Like, I don't know how bad is it Dr. Oz that he was up against?
Yes.
That's got to hurt when you go up against a guy who temporarily can't talk at all.
Yeah.
Well, he has a struggle communicating, but I don't think the struggle--
It's a way better now.
Yes.
But I don't think the struggle is a thinking thing.
I think it's a communication thing.
And it's also like, he loses track of what you just said.
So like, he has to have an iPad.
So the iPad listens to what you're saying translates it, writes it out, dictates it.
And then he looks to it occasionally.
Okay.
Because I'm sorry.
What did you ask me?
And then I'll have to repeat the question.
But it's not that he's not there.
Yeah.
It's just there's a misfiring.
But when it fires correctly, he's very reasonable.
He's very rational, very smart guy.
And I think a really good guy.
And I think he opened up a lot of people's eyes.
Like, well, it is possible for someone to get in on either side.
And just be rational.
And just have rational positions on things.
And saying, I'm not going to just vote the way everybody votes.
Because I don't agree with that.
I think there's a much more nuanced view of the world.
And so a lot of people on the right like him.
Because he broke party lines, you know?
I remember.
Obama came in and tried to do that immediately when he was a senator.
And I was reading a thing about how people just took him aside and said,
"You absolutely don't fucking do that.
You have to stop doing that now."
We want you to be the future of this party.
Shut up.
But there must be huge pressures on people not to be individuals.
There was huge pressures on Tulsi Gabbard to not even communicate with people on the other side.
She would bring them cookies and shit and just be not.
And she's like, sweet lady.
She wanted to be friends with everybody.
And we don't do it that way.
I mean, John McCain seemed to do a lot of weird...
He would hang out.
He would be on both sides of the aisle.
People liked him.
There are a couple of individuals.
Yeah, there's a couple of individuals that have made like little crossovers.
You know, a little bit.
And, you know...
You could ban the party system.
I'd be open to that.
Well, you need more than two.
That's the real problem.
Yeah.
The real problem is there's only two legitimate ones.
If someone's...
If you vote libertarian, you're essentially voting protest.
You're saying fuck these guys.
Yeah.
And the green party.
I've done the libertarian thing a few times.
I was like, you're just saying fuck these guys.
But then if you can't...
Like a two party system is so easy to rig.
I mean, could you rig a five party system?
Could you...
You had seven parties?
Could you rig that?
I don't know.
You know what the thing is, it's like you have the house and you have Congress.
It's like...
The two party thing is going to be so tough to untangle.
You know, it would take some radically popular person who went independent.
Who tried?
Legs Roosevelt.
Ross Perot.
Ross Perot...
Ross Perot fucked it up.
Yeah, he came close.
But Teddy Roosevelt.
He got real close.
Right.
And he was Teddy Roosevelt.
Yeah.
But he won states, I think.
Did you get hold states?
That's crazy.
The Dixie Crats did it, but they were never going to pick up that many states.
It would have to be someone like that.
Someone that was like loved by a giant percentage of the population.
Like if some...
Let's make up a fictional person.
Some amazing opera.
If opera becomes president or wants to run for president.
Yeah.
And everybody's like...
Because remember there was a thing during the Trump administration, the first administration,
where I think NBC tweeted, "This is our president."
And they showed a photo of Oprah.
See if you can find that.
I'm pretty sure that's true.
And I remember thinking like, "This is so crazy that we're looking for another famous person to counteract the famous person."
They wanted the rock.
Yeah.
Oh, they talked to the rock.
They came to the rock.
They came to the rock.
They came to the rock to try to get him to do it.
I mean, I don't know what the rock's politics are.
He's, you know, a kind guy who's probably very left uncertain.
Very left uncertain things, but also very disciplined.
Yeah.
And obviously really admires and believes in hard work and dedication.
He'll be a great president if he wanted to do it.
Tweet on future Oprah Presidency, not meant to be political statement.
Okay, what?
They said on Monday that a tweet touting Oprah Winfrey has our future president
during the 75 Golden Global Wars was not meant to be a political statement.
Of course it is.
Yeah.
You literally said president that makes it political.
Hour in all capital letters.
This is the only one that's capitalized.
I really thought it could have been Kanye for a while then.
Yeah, he could have made it.
His policies would.
Some of them were great.
Some of them were genuinely good.
It's in reference to a joke made during the monologue and not meant to be a political statement.
We have since removed the tweet.
Okay, so there was a joke, but there was still a political statement.
Come on.
Even if it was like in reference to the joke, you saying that in all caps,
you know, our president, it's still political statement.
They've got to find somebody.
I mean, just for the future of this,
JD Vance can talk to people.
I've seen long form interviews with him where he actually seemed like a normal human being.
I think there's a lot of people pushing James Tyler Rico now.
Okay.
You know, we had him on the podcast too to talk to him because I felt he's the Texas guy.
He's the Texas guy who has some really important things to say,
particularly about the potential for a religious or a theocracy in Texas
and that there's these very wealthy Christian fundamentalists that are driving this.
Yeah.
Like multi-billionaire guys that are driving this.
And that's how the Ten Commandments got in schools.
And he is a very religious man.
And he does not believe the Ten Commandments should be in schools.
He believes that if you put the Ten Commandments in schools,
it's actually going to push people away from Christianity because you're shoving it in their face.
And he's like, and it's also disrespectful to all the other religions.
Yeah.
You don't have their tenants and commandments.
Have you seen the Ten Commandments in the schools?
I have not.
We went out to look at some of the schools and it's fun because they're like,
they don't just put them up drierly on the wall.
Like they have pictures of all the things.
All the things you're doing, like sin?
Yeah, this is weird.
When it comes to like, don't cover your neighbor's wife.
And there has to be like some weird little sexy picture or something.
Really?
Yeah.
I've been in over in the garden.
I think it was like a woman.
Oh.
Yeah, that was a strange one.
Well, where does that have to draw it?
I think it was too stupid of language.
You got to draw it.
I think it was in like the Spanish class where they had like,
they had it written in Spanish, the Ten Commandments.
Anyway, Talle Rico is interesting.
You know?
Yeah.
He had a very bizarre argument about abortion that I felt like that doesn't jive
with how most people view Christianity.
What was he?
Well, he felt, what did he exactly say that was like super controversial, Jamie?
He said like, somehow know that you think that it could be biblically permissible.
I've had this before.
I've had people say that.
I don't think it.
It doesn't seem to make sense.
If you really want to live your life biblically, it doesn't make sense.
But this is, lefty Christians are always like.
They have to find out.
Like people will go, there's nothing, there's nothing in the body.
There's nothing in scripture that says homosexuality is wrong.
And you go, yeah.
Okay.
But like, what are we arguing that in like, you know, two BC Jerusalem,
it was just chilled to be a gay guy.
And they just never wrote it down for some reason.
Like, I'm not saying, like, as to how people want to live, that's fine.
But don't like come in and say the religion insists that people be gay.
Or that like, that the trans thing is actually fine in the Bible,
because it never says you shouldn't be trans.
It's like the absence of something in an old book that hadn't occurred to people
is not an argument for its permissibility.
There is talk of a man lying with a man being in an abomination.
And then they do, but then they go, that's about, that's about boys.
That's about boys.
It's not about men.
We've got a very special translation that only we understand.
I don't...
Was that what they say, really?
Yeah.
They say this is always about boys.
This is never about to.
But it says man lie with another man.
Hey, I don't agree with them.
But it's all they're like, I think if you're going to have a religion,
you should like not just try and twist the religion to be exactly what you think.
Right.
It should be.
Like, that's kind of the point of religion is that it's something bigger and stranger
than you that you're going to allow to, like, you're going to develop as a person
with it rather than correcting it.
Well, I think if you look historically just in this country,
the attitude that we had about gay people in this country was terrible,
like in the 1930s and 40s and 50s, it was terrible.
Yeah.
And then somewhere along the line, there's the gay rights movement,
and then ultimately in modern times gay marriage.
So there's this progression where people realize like,
hey, they're just gay.
Like, it's always existed.
But people had to hide it forever.
Like, you know the Turing test story, right?
Alan Turing, the guy who invented the Turing test.
I used to with the AI.
You can tell if it's opposed.
Yes.
Yeah.
Well, that guy was fed chemical castration drugs because he was gay in England in the 1950s.
Right?
So at some point in time, I think you have to like take into consideration
how long being gay was punished before people eventually just got to this realization.
You mean enough gay people, you know enough gay people, you have a gay kid,
whatever.
You realize like some people are just gay.
There are obviously people who attracted to people of the same kind.
Oh, 100%.
That's all it is.
And it's like, you have to look at things through a cultural lens
as much as you have to look it through a biblical lens.
Like, because it's not all God's word.
It's God's word written down by people.
And some of it is like some of it is just so.
That's very Catholic of you.
Yeah.
That's the Catholic coming out.
You have to look at it that way.
It's like there's just so much in it that doesn't make any sense.
There's context in this tradition.
And it's also translations.
This is why I like about the Catholic.
I became a Catholic like eight years ago, seven, nine.
This was a number of years ago.
I'm forgetting how many years.
But I had been like sort of nothing and then sort of a unitarian.
But I like this thing of like.
What brought you from sort of nothing to belief?
I'd always believed there was something.
But then I started going to Mass because a friend was going.
When I was on the road years before, I would like be off on the road
on a Sunday and have nothing to do.
So I went to mega churches for fun.
Because they were very funny and very strange.
What are mega churches like in Australia?
We invented it.
We got it going.
You guys invented it?
You guys invented it?
You guys probably invented it.
But we took it to another level.
We did Hillsong.
Which Hillsong?
Hillsong was the biggest one by Justin Bieber was a Hillsong guy.
That's Australia?
That's Australian.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Australian New Zealand guys.
And they're like guitar music and the smoke machines and they're doing this.
Oh, and you guys brought that over to America?
Yeah, I'm very sorry.
Wow.
I'm not a big, but I would turn up there.
Or like, or a little Baptist church or something.
But I would shop around and try.
You know, who's got something going on?
But the mega church has offended me more than anything.
It was like, whatever is happening here is weird and gross.
And I don't like it.
Like, they would have two pastors come out and they'd like riff and banter together.
And it was like a breakfast radio show.
And they'd go and like, and they'd have like big projectors.
And then I started going to the, I went to the Latin Mass.
And it was like, oh, this is a very strange ancient ritual with like bells.
And I don't understand what anyone is saying.
Right.
And I just wanted to keep going to that.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
And the organ and the choir.
I think you made a really good point too about people coming in to this candlelit room and everything's beautiful and ornate.
And just that alone probably has a profound effect on your psyche.
Yeah.
They must have known that, right?
They must have known that when they're creating these incredible paintings.
A stained glass window?
Yeah.
And I looked at a picture or a television screen ever.
Right.
And then you go into a building where there is light shining out of a man's face.
And it's Jesus.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And their statues as a man were covered in blood.
Yeah.
He's on the cross right in front of you with the thorns dripping blood and like holy shit.
This is what I mean though about losing.
That's the Catholic thing.
They always put him on there.
He's always suffering.
Yeah.
And the mega churches, they take him off.
They go.
It's a big plus sign out the front.
What?
You know, like at a Protestant church they will have, they'll have a cross.
But there's no one dying on that cross.
It's just empty.
It's just like...
It's only Catholics that have Jesus actually nailed to the cross.
I think the Orthodox dude is well.
But like all the Protestant mega church people, they never show it.
That's interesting.
Because they're winners.
They want to go like we're increasing.
We're getting more stuff.
And I don't want to exaggerate.
But prosperity gospel people.
Letty Bruce had a great joke about that.
What was he?
He had a great joke about Jesus coming back and seeing you wearing a cross.
He said it's like having an electric chair on your neck.
Was that Lenny Bruce?
Yeah.
And then Bill Hicks had a version of it.
Yes.
Bill Hicks was like it's like going up to Jackie with a rifle and did on.
We're thinking of him.
Yeah.
I remember that.
The oldest stained glass windows in the world's seventh century.
Yo.
That's what I'm about.
Yo.
Germany.
The barrier.
Wow.
They figured it out.
They're like we've got to make this place more colorful, bring it more people.
They didn't have pyrotechnics back then.
They've got to figure out a way to make it more.
Because if you see beautiful ancient cathedrals, one of the things that I really loved about Italy
is you could go to these ancient churches and go and look around on them.
That's like amazing artwork, amazing.
Just the craftsmanship of constructing these incredible buildings.
When you go inside of them, it feels like something bigger than you has created this.
This is more beautiful and ornate than anything you ever see in your village.
Your village is filled with like boring ass houses and like little fucking tables
and little chairs and everyone's sitting around eating spaghetti.
And then you go to this place.
This place is insane.
And there's candles and you take it out of it.
And you do this.
Yeah.
And you put the money in the basket.
That's how I felt when I started showing up.
That it was some weird alien.
It feels like thousands of years old when they're doing it in Clinton.
And the priest isn't facing you.
He's facing a weight like you're all doing something together.
Right.
And it's mysterious.
Have you been to Vatican?
Never.
Ooh, you should go.
I would like to.
You need to go.
You should just see St. Peter's Basilica in the flesh.
It's beyond comprehension.
It took hundreds of years to make.
The craftsmanship is so exquisite.
It's like the artwork is so incredible.
You walk, first of all, it's massive.
I mean, massive.
And perfect.
You walk around, you're like, what the fuck were you guys doing?
Who made this?
How long does this take?
It was a shame to reaction.
Every time Shane's talking about it, he goes, you know what?
Number one.
Number one, bro.
No one else can do that.
Pull up some images of...
Like, look at what it looks like.
Yeah, the wobbly...
The wobbly...
God, it's so incredible, man.
It's so incredible.
And then it chits me when...
Vatican II, I don't dismiss it.
I don't say it was wrong, but when people...
Like a modern church, and it looks like...
Like there's a, you know, a carpet and straight walls.
But you know how much time it takes.
It's love.
Do you know how much time it takes to make something like that?
I mean, that is...
Fantastic artwork.
When you walk into that place, it's breathtaking.
Like, you walk in, you just go, wow.
Look how small those people are.
Look.
Look at the people.
Those people are walking, dude.
Look how tall that ceiling is.
Look at the lightning down.
And like acoustically, you can...
The guy giving the homily, but...
People can hear him.
Yeah.
Like it's built in such a way...
Like people used to know something about acoustics where you could...
Yeah, that is great.
I mean, that's so psychedelic.
It really is.
Just looking at the geometric patterns on the columns and the ceiling.
It makes you feel like you're tripping.
So if you were there, and you're like, walk into this place,
and you lived in some boring ass house,
you would really feel like you're in God's house.
I mean, it feels like God's house when you're in God's house.
Yeah, that's how good...
That's how much they believed.
They didn't...
They didn't cop out on this at all.
They went all in.
That one right there.
Look at that.
I don't like it when people go like the church should melt everything down
and give it to the poor.
Like, this is a gift to the poor.
Yeah.
If you're poor, you get to go in there and look at that.
That's open to everybody.
They're not putting that in a private place.
They should never take that down.
Whatever they did to do it.
Maybe they shouldn't do it again.
(laughs)
Wherever they got that goal.
It's a bit of planet for having it there.
Well...
I mean, the Vatican controlled armies for a long ass time.
And it's nuts that it's its own country.
That's weird.
What was its own country?
So they can keep the pedophiles there.
No.
They don't have to export them.
They've tried so hard to crack down on the pedophiles.
Oh, good job, guys.
(laughs)
It's just so crazy that one section of religion
is commonly associated with pedophilia.
The press was real bad because the scandals were real.
Yeah.
And there were lots of them.
But I would say, I mean, when I talk to priests
and I look at Catholic schools
and what they've got in place at the moment,
I would feel like that's so...
On top of it.
So on top of it.
But there are definitely parts of society
that in five, ten years things will start coming up.
Listen, man, they catch pedophiles at Nickelodeon.
Yeah.
They catch pedophiles at the C.I.A.
There's pedophiles everywhere.
There's a certain percentage of our society
that's fucking sick. And they're sexually attracted to kids.
And it's a sick fucking horrible thing that's real.
You know, and it exists all over the place.
But the problem is it exists like synonymously
with the Catholic Church.
People think because they've hidden those people.
They've shielded those people from prosecution.
They've taken them and moved them to new places
where they molest more kids.
I agree, but I would also say it's the only institution
that it was early to declare that that was wrong.
Like before the Catholic Church,
you had a pagan society where that was not...
It was not a question that that was acceptable.
Acceptable.
Like in terms of...
Like it introduces this standard by which you can go.
It's wrong to be a pedophile.
It's wrong to have a boy, love.
Because the Greeks and the Romans were getting up to it.
Oh, yeah.
It's not an excuse for people's behavior,
but it's part of human nature that's been with us for a long time.
Well, I think it was part of their nature also
when they were going army campaigns.
And there was no women for years at a time.
They just fucked each other.
In the legs.
They fucked each other in the legs.
Into cural.
I'm going to try to squeeze the legs together
and use their legs like a titty fuck.
Yes.
Because it was disrespectful to the soldier
with put it in his butt.
He still has to fight the next day.
Oh, really?
You don't want him having a mobility issue.
So they were just coming each other's legs?
In the legs.
That's not that bad.
That's just helping out a bro.
What is things happening on butts?
No, let's see.
Well, they also had the concept that
if you were fighting next side,
beside your lover,
you would fight harder to protect them
than just another man.
Yeah.
I mean, we're not getting couples
to join up to the military now, though.
Well, right now we're not,
because everyone's soft.
But if we were at war,
and you know how many guys would go gay?
You know how many guys would go gay?
If you gave them three years with no women at all.
You know how?
You can just draft a married couple.
You're on the same battalion.
Military men, heart is a rock all the time.
I'm filled with testosterone,
running off to some part of the world to kill people.
Yeah.
No access to pussy for three years.
It's not going to be 0% go gay.
It's going to be a number.
I think there was that test after World War II.
See how long it takes for you to go gay?
No, they did a huge...
Well, kind of,
because everyone had just come back from being, you know,
like five years together in the war.
Gaying it out.
And they ran a big...
It was like a survey on sexuality and return servicement.
And it was some huge number of like...
Gay guys.
It was not just gay guys, but it was also like...
Beasty out of these.
It was way bigger.
Because a lot of these guys had grown up on farms and things.
And so they're asking like,
"Have you ever had sex with a chicken?"
And something like...
I'm going to get the numbers wrong.
But it's something like 12% of guys being like,
"Yeah."
Yes.
It's cool.
I don't want to be getting that wrong.
But I think...
How many women fucked a chicken?
Zero.
You know?
No, there's one lady in Thailand.
She's got pain into this thing.
Yeah, it's cool.
It's not her idea.
It's not at love.
She's not an amateur.
Yeah, it wasn't her idea.
The guy that fucked a chicken.
No, it's totally his idea.
This is a big thing in your act.
This is a through line in your act.
Is that like...
You're always like men of the degenerate ones in these.
For sure.
Well, that is a fact.
That's a fact.
I mean, we start all the wars.
That's...
We're responsible for most of the murders.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, one of the funny ones...
I had a bit about it back in the day.
I actually had a conversation with this guy.
He's like, "Do you know that statistically speaking,
"more men get raped than women?"
I'm like, "Right."
By other men.
Yeah.
With the fucking idiot.
Well, they're not getting raped by cheerleader.
Why is that true?
Yeah.
Yeah, because...
Most rape victims are men.
Yeah.
When you take into account prison.
Oh.
Yeah.
See, you take into account sexual assault and prison.
Which is just accepted in this...
I guess it is.
It's like...
That's part of the punishment that everybody knows
is going on in prison.
No real efforts to stamp out prison.
Well, a crazy thing is woke got so far that they let males identify...
as females intact males.
And go into female prisons.
Because they're air quotes trans.
Yeah.
Which is the craziest loophole.
Like, you would never think of all the things they restrict you from doing in jail.
You can't even have a phone.
But you can go fuck girls and pretend you're a girl.
I mean, once you know that exists as a loophole,
you'd be very silly not to take it.
Also.
When you?
You're dealing with people that are fucking liars.
They're prisoners.
They're in prison.
They're criminals.
You're saying they rob banks and sell meth,
but they wouldn't lie about their gender.
That is an honor.
Has this been stopped now?
No.
In California, there's at the time that I read last,
there was 47 biological males that are housed in women's prisons
with hundreds on the waiting list.
But this is happening in...
It happens in Canada.
There's a lot of it in Canada.
I mean, schools is a weird one.
There are single-sex schools.
And then they'll have a trans person.
And they'll admit them.
But like...
Like, you can be a M to F.
And they'll accept you into a girl's school.
But also, if you're a girl at the girl's school,
and you say, "I'm a boy now,"
they'll keep you at the school.
So like, which...
Just ideologically, which is it?
Because if you are a single-sex school,
then if a girl says, "I'm transitioning to a boy,"
you should have to kick him out.
You just say, "We believe that you are a boy."
Get out of here.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't think there's an intellectual consistency
with any of this.
It's just people going, "This is making me uncomfortable.
Please do not get angry at me."
Yes.
I'll give you whatever you want.
There's that.
And then there's also people that really do feel
like they're in the wrong body, right?
So those people have always existed.
So the question is, what is that?
And is it possible that someone would lie about that
in order to gain access to the women's room?
And that's true.
That's the fact.
So you always have to look at that.
Like, as soon as you say, "Oh, you have to believe them."
Okay, you believe a murderer who's in jail
and you're going to pay for his boob job now, okay?
And you're going to let him go into the women's prison
because that's what's happening in Canada.
Great to do in that kind of shit.
Doesn't everyone feel like they're in the wrong,
like being instantiated in flesh is a weird thing.
Like it's uncomfortable to have a body.
Yeah.
It aches.
It doesn't do the things you tell it to do all the time.
Like we're all alienated from our body.
And there was an explanation for that for a long time.
Like with the gender, with the trans spike,
that like this is what, the thing that is wrong with you,
this is why you're uncomfortable in your body.
Right.
But I think the numbers have collapsed in the last five--
Well, you know when they collapsed?
It coincided with Elon buying Twitter.
Okay, I didn't know that.
Yeah.
Yeah, the post-2024 numbers have dropped off a cliff.
When you stop offering that as an explanation, yeah.
Yeah, well, not only that, but you could talk about it now.
Yeah.
Whereas before, if you, literally if you wrote on Twitter
that a male could never be a female, you'd be banned.
Yeah.
That's what happened to Meghan Murphy.
They banned her.
They banned her from Twitter by saying,
"A man is never a woman."
Well, I remember they were banning people
for saying what J.K. Rowling had said,
but they're like, "We can't get rid of J.K. Rowling,"
'cause she's too big.
It would be completely insane.
Because you should be able to talk about anything.
And if you're wrong about that,
like other people are going to correct you
or have a better argument than you have,
and that's how you figure out who's right and who's wrong.
And for the longest time, there was no talk
of detransitioners being upset.
There was no talk of these things are actually
chemical castration drugs they used to use on pedophiles.
And that's what these things are.
Rapids and pedophiles used to be forced to take these drugs
that you're now giving to pre-pubescent boys.
Yeah.
Also, the new penises.
Oh, God.
I don't want to be sent any more of those.
Bro, the new penises.
She's sending new penises after talking to you.
I've seen them.
They're not going to be sent any more of these things.
They're not going to be sent any more of these things.
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Vanessa Renegde-Resta did some research on that with the Internet Research Agency before the 2016 elections.
When they were talking about how these foreign countries had these things that were set up
that were just designed to put posts on Facebook and memes.
And it was just designed to sway the conversation toward a certain direction.
And she saw thousands and thousands of these memes.
Some of them are really funny.
They're really funny memes.
Yeah, who's making these?
They're being made in Russia or somewhere.
This is what I'm on the New York Times app.
It feels like I know what their agenda is all the time.
And it's so nice to be like I know where that's coming from.
I know that when I'm on X it's like there's a lot of reality coming at you at once.
And then there's also definitely bots on there doing.
And it's too overwhelming.
It's too overwhelming.
I try not to fuck with that anymore.
Every time I go on there I just feel bad.
I just feel gross.
All of them.
I try to stay off of them as much as possible.
I feel better when I do.
You're in a valuable position of just getting to talk to people who know what's going on.
I remember Christopher Hitchens saying someone asked him what newspapers do you read?
He said, "Nan, I just talk to people who know things that I want to talk to.
Do I trust you know things?"
You're a very well connected, not everyone gets to it.
You can have a phone call with an expert in something if you want.
That's a huge plus to doing this.
But it's also you have to find out which expert is really honest.
You have two different experts.
If you have some sort of a court case,
well the defense will have an expert.
And then the prosecution has an expert too.
And they disagree.
So wait a minute.
I thought it was all based on fact and logic and science.
Whether it's DNA evidence or all kinds of evidence.
But experts on both sides, so you're always going to have some kind of dispute.
If you have complete, if everybody just like completely agrees with one narrative,
there's something probably going on.
And generally speaking, what's going on is that they have control over that social media application.
Like Blue Sky.
Yeah.
Blue Sky is a perfect example.
If you just go on Blue Sky and type, there's only two genders.
Band, you're gone.
Yeah, you're over.
It's a way out, I think, in Australia.
So we're banning X for the under-16s, but Blue Sky is fine.
Yeah, you're going to turn people into the most radical of progressives.
But they won't be falling.
They're saying here are the facts that you can agree on.
And then you can have your disagreement within that bubble.
But you've got to exist within a shared reality.
Right.
I'm getting freaked out by the New York Times app.
And I don't like it.
But to now have ads in there.
And this is this, they have ads for the New York Times in the New York Times app, right?
That doesn't seem so far.
It's, well, they're off, they're saying you should buy a friend of yours the New York Times app.
Okay, you should pay for them to have it.
And then it's like, why should you do that?
So you can talk, so you can understand the news together.
So you can share the world together.
Right, they're like, isn't it terrible when someone has different facts to you?
That's all have the same facts so that we can know our children again.
You should buy your children the New York Times app and bring them under the safe warm umbrella.
And it is what I'm on there.
It's like being in a weird bath or something where it's like a protected zone.
And I will be deleting it at some point.
I enjoy doing the world.
But it's like, I'm just getting a second of, because I've been in Austin for like two years now.
And most of my news has come through talking to Kurt Metzke in the green room.
You know what I mean?
And so I was like, just give me a taste of what like a normie out there is experiencing his reality.
Well, the problem is those normies get indoctrinated just as much as anybody else does.
And so they get indoctrinated to thinking that the New York Times is the golden standard of accurate news and reporting.
And it's not biased.
And this is the actual story that's going on.
And no, that's not always the case.
I would say at least on the right people are getting indoctrinated by like multiple different strange things.
Like the actual agreement, you can have arguments and discussions about things that people do.
And you've seen that like meme where it's like his right wing thought and it's all fucking over the place.
It's like he's the left wing thing.
It's like one thought.
And everything after that is Hitler.
Everything to the right of those Hitler.
It's weird now that you see all these right wing people that are having public feuds.
It's blown up.
It's been a big week.
What's happening? Why did everybody lose the plot?
It's weird.
Charlie Cook was holding something together.
And now it's really, I think people, I don't know.
What seems like from his death out, there's a lot of chaos on the right.
But is that because of his death?
Like why are all these people attacking each other?
Or is it because there's people out there that are saying wild shit?
And then other people are being forced to defend them.
Whether it's Candace Owens or whoever it is.
I think the conservative movement was always a weird bringing together of about three different things.
Like foreign policy hawks, social conservatives, and big business people.
And William F. Buckley, Jr.
Is that his name?
Or getting the national review?
He managed to purge all the John Birch society people and say this is mainline conservatism going forward.
Then Reagan was able to tell him what that.
There was a coming together of two people who didn't...
It didn't make a lot of sense for a religious conservative and a big city finance guy
to share a platform together.
But under that project you could bring them together.
And that breaks apart.
And you can see it, and there are a couple things really breaking up.
Where is the right fracturing in Arizona at the moment?
It's like Israel is a fault line.
There's no holding together the two wings of the conservative movement under Israel anymore.
Is there like... the Takakalls and wing of that discussion and the Ben Shapiro wing
don't seem to be able to harmoniously go and lock us.
They really hate each other.
There's a conspiratorial wing and there's like a big business wing
that don't want to get along.
There are like... there's libertarians and there's conservatives.
And they match up on a couple things but not a lot of things.
You know, what is a family?
What are our values going forward?
What should we have religious values in the law?
A lot of people on the right would say yes.
A lot of people on the right would say that's the... never.
So unless there's like a unifying...
I don't want to say a strong man.
Unless there's a unifying figure to bring those two disparate groups together.
I think their natural thing is to fight with each other.
And that's what's happening now is that it's the end of the Trump era.
He's not going to run again.
He managed to build some sort of coalition around himself.
And that's I think Mr. Kirk's widow, who's now my don't remember.
Who had the gold outfit?
Ericka Kirk.
I don't watch a lot of the speeches because I get all second-hand.
But she's going like, we need to get behind JD Vance.
He's going to be the future of holding this together.
And he's trying to really stay out of it so that they...
Like he's not making a call one way or the other.
He's trying to allow the two parties to...
Duke it out.
See who rises.
I guess he'll see who wins or...
Boy.
Well that's a thing.
It's like someone has got a win.
Like something's going to happen.
Or they're just going to just like defuse the whole right-wing movement
by being constantly at war with each other.
Or there's no consention.
Yeah. And this happens on the left.
Is what like the left?
Like the AOC people and the Nancy Pelosi people are not natural bedfellers.
Like what's the consensus?
Like what do they agree on?
They agree on immigration.
They all agree on immigration.
No big business people want heaps of illegal immigration.
Oh.
It's cheap labor.
But the big business people...
That is true.
There's some CEOs that have openly discussed the fact
that they need that in order for their business model to work.
Yeah, you've got like the Pat Buchanan wing of the party going up against
the like HW Bush wing of the party.
So I don't even think they can get around that.
But most people would say that having an open border,
most people on the right would say having an open border is a real problem.
You need to close the border.
If you were a right-wing person you ran on,
let's open up the border again.
We need illegal immigrants.
We need the labor.
Yeah.
You'll be over.
You would never win.
Yeah, you would never win.
You could govern that way.
And I think people did for a long time.
But you could never have that as your public.
Right.
You could let them sneak in, let it slip, slip.
Yeah.
But you could always say with tough on the border.
Yeah.
But these numbers are very.
Yeah.
Going.
You definitely weren't.
He wasn't tough on shit.
But I also think he wasn't running anything either.
You know, I mean.
It's hard to.
Imagine.
Hard to imagine.
Yeah.
Yeah, nowhere.
So whoever was running it wanted to keep running it.
And that was a real problem.
That was a real problem.
That's scary.
Because then you realize, even though it's crazy to have a president,
at least the ideas you voted a president.
But if the president doesn't do anything and it's really a bunch of like,
as nutty as Trump is, at least you know, he's doing it.
Like nobody else is going to put gold all over the white house.
You know, he's doing that.
Nobody else is doing that.
Nobody else is doing that.
He's writing those plaques.
100% for sure.
He did the auto pen thing.
At the very least, you know it's him doing it.
Yeah.
And you hate him.
You love him.
I think he wrote, he wrote that.
Rob Rhynet's weight.
I don't think anyone was in his year going.
Oh, yeah.
I think you should take a big stand against Rob Rhynet today.
No, he wrote that.
He wrote that.
Um.
But as the world goes.
It was Brennan.
Brennan and Clapper.
Those are the people that had the video with Rob Rhynet.
Where he's like literally talking to two spooks about it.
It's a real problem.
That Trump is the president.
He's starting something called the committee for Russian investigation
or something like that.
Rob Rhynet did.
So when it apologizes for the Russia stuff?
No.
It's crazy what they did.
And...
The COVID stuff now in apologizes for?
No.
They completely lied.
As much as you can hate him about a lot of things that Trump has done,
you can't just let people get away with making a fake story.
About him colluding with Russia.
Like that's a fake story.
The steel dossier was literally...
All that stuff was funded by the Clinton campaigns.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
And the Epstein stuff coming at now is...
I mean, we'll see what happens with that.
Well, you guys were talking right before the podcast said,
Jamie said there was a big dump.
What happened with the big dump?
Big dump?
You said there was a big dump today and they fucked up.
That was your take.
They fucked up.
The fuck up was that people have found out that the redactions weren't really redacted.
It's like that's a big mistake.
Like you can copy and paste and put another document and see the redactions.
Oh, like a Photoshop deal?
Like you could get the layers away?
Yeah.
Oh, whoopsies.
That's what happens.
You get fucking people working for the government.
They're dorks.
Then the...
Then...
Which is like...
This is like a stepping deal.
Yeah.
I wasn't following it all, but...
The Department of Justice has tweeted a couple interesting things today,
starting with this one eight hours ago.
It's like six a.m. or something.
Department of Justice has officially released nearly 30,000 more pages of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein.
Some of these documents contain untrue and sensationalist claims made against President Trump
that were submitted to the FBI right before the 2020 election to be clear.
The claims are unfounded and false.
And if they had a shred of credibility, they certainly would have been weaponized against President Trump already.
Nevertheless, out of our commitment to the law and transparency, the DOJ is releasing these documents
with the largely required protections for Epstein's victims.
Some of those documents have been deleted now.
Okay.
So they're saying that 30,000 more pages of documents and some of them contain untrue and sensational claims
made against President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right before the 2020 election.
Right?
But by who?
People are just sort of taking it as a grain of salt saying, like, "So nobody else is on."
Oh, it's only true about you.
Right.
Nothing nobody else.
All the Bill Clinton photos were definitely the other ones.
The picture came out of a letter that seems to be a potential suicide note written by Epstein,
written to Larry Nasser.
The facts of that that are were strange.
There's a postmark, which is three or four days after he died.
Wait a minute.
Larry Nasser.
Yeah.
It's also in jail.
He's the Olympic guy.
Yeah.
The doctor that was a pedophile.
Yeah.
And he's like a letter writing like, "Hey, I know what you know why I'm in jail.
Know why you're in jail."
Boy.
Yeah.
That seems weird that he's writing a letter.
He's taking the short route.
Yeah.
And like, it starts off saying, if you've gotten this, you know, I took the, in quotes, short route out,
which, short route home, right?
Yeah.
But there's some weird people like they said, they're saying this is fake or maybe fake.
Did they get a handwriting expert to analyze it yet?
Peering doesn't.
That's what I started asking the questions.
I was like, well, then why did it get, why did it come out?
How are you know?
Oh, so the FBI.
It says the FBI is confirmed.
This alleged letter from Jeffrey Epstein to Larry Nasser is fake.
Fake in all caps.
Trump wrote that.
He gets busted by the use of all caps.
The fake letter.
The fake letter was received by the jail and flagged for the FBI at the time.
The FBI made this conclusion based on the following facts.
The writing does not appear to match Jeffrey Epstein's.
The letter was postmarked three days after Epstein's death out of Northern Virginia when he was jailed in New York.
The return address did not list the jail where Epstein was held and did not include his inmate number,
which is required for outgoing mail.
The fake letter serves as a reminder that just because the document is released by the Department of Justice
does not make the allegations or claims within the document factual, nevertheless the DOJ will continue to release all material required by law.
Well, this is how they probably should have done it from the beginning, right?
Release all material.
Yeah.
And then refute whatever you say is fake.
And you say, okay, it didn't have his inmate number.
It's not his handwriting.
It's fake.
It was three days after his death.
It was postmarked from Virginia.
He was in New York.
But don't make it look like it covering it up.
Right, release it.
I have seen on Twitter people complaining about like they're not meant to censor anything due to embarrassment.
But when it's like Galen Maxwell's boobs, they will censor it out.
This has been a legally censored, you must.
Yeah, the Lord of the United States show me her boobs.
I need to see them Areolas.
Is she, she's in prison in Texas.
She's in, you can kind of call prison.
She does yoga, plays cards, hangs out.
I feel like I had to talk to people.
I don't think so.
She's not allowed to podcast.
I'm sure if that's what you're getting at.
I am.
Yeah.
That would be a really exciting podcast.
Everybody wants to die.
That would be really good podcast.
I think she's just a nice normal lady.
Do you think Trump, on the way out, pardon her?
She's a nice woman I wish I will.
I don't know.
It's the weird thing is she's in jail for sex trafficking to...
Who?
Epstein.
Right.
Yeah, but is it for that?
From him?
I think it was 60 year olds in Florida and it was directly him.
Right.
I was briefly, I experimented with being like a non-epstein believer.
Really?
Yeah, for about two weeks.
What did you, what did you think was going on?
I was like, maybe he's just a pervert who liked getting back rubs from 16 year olds and he had famous friends.
Because everyone was like, he's massage.
He's CIA.
What do you think now?
Yeah, he's obviously something.
It's what I just thought everyone in the green room was saying, he's massage.
I was like, I could be, maybe the controversial thing would be to not believe this.
It takes a contrarian position.
I just wanted to try experiment with the contrarian position and it's getting harder and harder to hold that.
Yeah, it seems like the more they dig into his past, the more it feels like he was part of some sort of intelligence agency.
Well, like, channeling offshore money for people.
How about the fact that you just got a slap on the wrist during the first case?
When he caught a case and then the, whoever it was was the prosecutor, the judge was told that he was intelligence.
There was a, yeah, that's and then someone richer.
I listened to a podcast on it from like some, some Matthew Schmitz who's compact magazine.
And they were like, they were making out that it was, it was an anti-Semitic plot to say that Epstein was a secret intelligence.
And it's genuinely, although I don't agree with them, it was one of the best put together podcast I'd heard.
And I look at this suicide watch observation lot, 215 AM.
Inmate states his cellmate tried to kill him.
Inmate sitting on bed trying to retract it, saying he has no idea what happened, but there's pictures of him showing his wounds and stuff.
I think he also said he woke up and didn't know where those wounds came from.
Oh, so that's the guy, too, by the way, you know that, that's the cellmate, the giant dude.
Oh, so the cellmate beat the fuck out of him.
I don't see any wounds.
Where's the wounds?
New release document.
Sam, I conscious with neck injuries.
Yeah, Mark's around his wrist.
Let me see.
Let me see his neck.
It's not a good picture.
Is it video?
Oh, okay, it's a video.
His hands were swollen.
I think it said his ankles or feet were swollen too.
Oh, so the guy tried to grab his neck and choke him, but they said they investigated and they didn't find anything.
Found no evidence of foul play.
I didn't do nothing.
He says he didn't do nothing.
I don't know what to tell you.
You're okay.
Get back in jail, you pedophile.
That's probably what they did.
But the guy probably tried to kill him.
I mean, it looks like a guy that would try to kill you and he was definitely a murderer.
Yeah, if you're in a jail cell with a pedophile, I think that's unusual to try and kill the guy.
Also, you're a big giant guy who's in jail for murdering four drug dealers and you're a cop.
I was always saying that you could get him to kill that guy for like a pack of cigarettes.
But you're going to be jailed for the rest of his life forever, for sure.
And you can give him like awesome special treatment if you waxed Jeffery Epstein.
Man, I was really trying.
I tried so hard.
I went on podcasts trying to say.
Did you?
Yeah.
I wish I hadn't.
I just thought it was a cool, a cool like bucking back against the grain thing to say.
I was saying he was charismatic.
Yeah.
Well, I wouldn't famous people want to hang out with this charismatic man.
Good point.
That photo where he's with Michael Jackson.
Mm-hmm.
His loafers are incredible.
He had a great sense of style.
Right.
Right.
But I do.
And then there's things about him discussing with, you know, he's talking to ex prime ministers of Israel about how to move money around or something.
Yeah.
It's I.
It's not a former prime minister of Israel used to visit him as Manhattan place with like a mask over his face.
He like pulled his fucking head like one of these things on.
Did you ever see?
No.
Yeah.
See pictures of him trying to cover his face as he goes into Epstein's house, which is what I always do when I go to my friend's house.
You cover your face?
Yeah.
You don't want anybody knowing.
You go to the ring doorbell.
There's also there's apparently more.
Mix and mask on.
More Prince Andrew ones now.
Oh, of course.
Well, there's a reason why they literally kicked him out of the royal family.
They banished him to a mansion somewhere in the hills.
I don't think he'd been.
Yeah, it's not good.
It hurts the risk.
It hurts my regard for the beautiful royal family.
Yeah, I love very much.
I bet you do.
You look a good royal family.
I love a royal family.
Look at that dude.
Yeah.
Why are you stung in the paparazzi?
Oh, for sure.
Paparazzi are always in front of a financial guys house.
A bunch of chicks leaving.
A lot of people seem to love hanging out with this guy.
The car was made at guy.
That is a lot of fun.
That's cool people at his parties.
I mean, that it was Woody Allen.
He was hanging out.
Bill Clinton.
Bill Clinton seems to have a great time in all the photos.
There's a lot of people seem to have a great time.
Michael Jackson was hanging out there.
Michael Jackson didn't look like he was having a lot of fun though.
Well, I don't think he had a lot of fun.
Period.
Right.
Michael?
Tortured individual.
He had a roller coaster.
How could he be unhappy?
I don't think that was for him.
That roller coaster was like--
I still know Michael.
When you go to turkey hunting, you put up a fake turkey.
No.
Bring in the turkeys.
His father made him dance too much.
And that's why he wanted to spend the night with boys.
I can't defend Michael Jackson.
No, you can't.
Who could you defend easier?
Michael Jackson or Epstein?
Well, we don't have any--
I mean, probably Michael Jackson because the music was great.
The music was great and his doctor said he was chemical castrated.
You know that?
I don't.
Yeah.
The doctor that went to jail for giving him propelfall that wound up killing him.
To the general anesthetic.
Yes.
That doctor, when he got out of jail, spoke publicly about the fact that Michael, when he was young,
was giving chemical castration drugs to protect his voice, to keep his voice from deepening.
I'm on the record saying that Kastratty should be broke back.
Thanks a lot.
Yeah.
No, over and over again, I say, if we're going to have trans people.
Make them sing?
Yeah.
You get it regarding how well you can sing.
But you got to do it when you're really young.
It's going to be before puberty.
Yeah.
I don't really believe it, but I do want to hear the Kastratty again.
We've got one recording and it's not through.
Have you heard it?
Yes.
We played a lot of the podcast a bunch of times.
Yeah.
It's kind of macomb.
But people loved it at the time.
They were sick people.
And only the Italians.
Oh.
Because the Italians were bold.
And what a crazy move.
What?
Kastratty falls off when he's young.
So he could sing at a high pitch forever.
Well, I think they would crush them because they didn't have antiseptic.
I think cut them off.
What they do, they crushed their balls.
I think they'd crush them and then put them in a bath of milk.
But do you know about this one thing?
What they do to crush the balls?
What they use?
They just smash them?
It was illegal.
That thing you did with your hands.
That was terrible.
It's not good.
But they would deny it.
The families would never cop to it because it was illegal to castrate your son.
Oh.
So you would come up with an excuse.
And there's like one town in Italy where over the course of a year they reported hundreds of swan attacks.
That's what they would say.
Oh God.
They would say a swan flew into my son's testicles.
And that's why he's now the best singer in Milan.
And they did it so their son could make money.
Just like a theater mom.
But the people loved it.
Like when there was the last one and they were going to retire it, people were chant like crowds screamed,
long live the knife.
They wanted it to keep going.
Do you know about this?
Long live the knife.
Yeah.
There was like the nut cutting knife spread popular support, not to get rid of the castrate.
Oh my God.
People wanted to keep hearing it.
Bro, that's terrible.
But they must have sounded really good.
Well, we heard they're recording.
Want to hear it?
Apparently, he was not recording.
Apparently, he was one of the worst ones.
Many of these operations were performed by local barbers.
Oh.
The razor.
Did he use the razor?
No, this is a razor.
I should have guessed.
I should have guessed you were across the Christianity.
I could have guessed that would have come up on this show before.
I didn't know you'd played it a bunch of times.
Oh, yeah, we played it before.
We'll leave on this.
Can we play it?
This is one of those videos.
Yeah, somebody might own it.
Actually, I got into an argument about it because I put it on a video once.
And I got challenged.
And I challenged it back because it was recorded so long ago.
Oh, yeah, it should be in the open.
Do you know what I mean?
That's true.
There's a Wikipedia recording.
It's totally open.
No, I'm with us.
I don't want to deal with it.
How come no rappers are sampling the Kastrati?
Danny Brown.
Maybe Diddy when he gets up.
Maybe you could.
I'm not even going to try and be a Diddy defender.
I thought about it.
You're such a contrarian.
You do think about it.
Yeah.
It would be nice.
I just don't have enough time to research it properly.
But if I had all the time and if I didn't have kids, I would be spending all my time becoming
the best Epstein defender because it would be a cool thing to say at parties very stridently.
Wouldn't it?
That's such an Australian thing to think.
It is.
It's just a quick explanation.
I mean, they really sell this up fast.
Oh, time roughly beginning the 17th century, the mid 19th century, an era with a science of anesthesia.
Anesthesiaation.
Still, that's the way to go.
And here we go.
Before making the first cut, a surgeon would send a patient to a semi-comato state by applying
him with an opium-based drink and compressing his carotid arteries into the milk.
Then the boy would be plunged into a bath of milk or hot water to soften the necessary
parts, at which point speed was of the essence.
Cut the spermatic cords, remove the testicles, tie the ducts, and then fingers crossed.
Oh, God.
Oh, God.
But what is it about the Italians that were the only people to do it?
Why are you fucking with my people?
I know, I'm saying it's kind of a greatness of spirit.
No.
Because that's how much you loved music.
It's disgusting.
Now the people are trying to take over the world and build empires, not in Italy.
That's what you were doing in the same thing.
They just didn't know that AI could just fake it.
You could make an AI castrada.
Maybe we should close on that.
Let's have AI do a castrada.
I reject it.
I reject the AI castrada.
Papa was a real Rolling Stone.
Can you do that?
Yeah.
Let's have AI make a cover of Papa was a Rolling Stone as an opera castrada.
Or castrada.
Is it castrada or castrada?
I think it's...
- Kostrati is the plural. - Kostrati, right.
But is it a Kostrato? - Kostrato, I think it is a still boy,
if you cause nuts off?
- Well, you're getting a lot of trouble in Britain
for saying the opposite, but. - Mm-hmm.
- Yes.
The ladies loved them. - God.
- And the ladies loved them. - The ladies loved them, like.
- Can never get hard. - No, they could.
- Really? - Yeah.
- How do you know? - I read a lot about it, like.
- Maybe they lied. - They would have sex.
No, women would like go and try and have sex with them.
- But they, how do you know? - 'Cause they couldn't get pregnant
off the back of them. - But how'd they get a bone?
Or if they didn't?
- I think it liked testicles.
- They still got, there was still testosterone in the body.
- Look, tiny amount, protrude further.
- They got real tall. - They were too tall though.
- They got huge.
They would be like seven foot tall.
- Really? - And they're,
this is why they could sing so well.
They're, they're bones in their rib cage wouldn't fuse.
Like, there's something in puberty
that's meant to come in like, stop your bones growing
that happens when you're a child.
So they'd have like this huge rib cage with huge lungs,
and a tiny little boy voice, yeah.
- But like, huge amounts of air flowing out.
- Oh, that's crazy.
- I'm just saying why can't we,
if we're gonna have all the trans kids,
doesn't one of them go, identify as a Kastrati?
Couldn't one do it?
- Maybe you're planting the seed
in someone's head right now.
- I don't wanna do that. - They're calling.
- I don't wanna do that.
- Well, maybe they already went through
with the other thing and they're like,
well, let's make the most of this, you know?
- Yeah. - Like some lemonade.
(laughing)
- Kastrati doing, have you got,
can you really just type it in and make it?
- Yeah, yeah, but yeah.
- How long does it take to render?
- The problem is the lyrics.
- The lyrics?
- Those lyrics are copyrighted.
- You could have a song.
- Oh, we can't play it.
- You could just style Spangled Banner.
- I don't know, I won't make this.
- Oh, how do you make this song?
I don't wanna get into it.
- How are they doing that?
You don't wanna say it?
- Okay.
- All right, where's Rob?
- Is it a secret?
- McCann, we're gonna miss you.
You'll be back.
- Thank you.
- We're gonna have one, hold on a second.
- We got one?
All right, here we go.
- It seems like quite eerie enough.
- That song's a good regular guy.
- When you hear that one guy, it is out of word.
- It's creepy.
- All right, it's creepy.
- All right, make good songs.
- McCann, I love you.
- Thank you for having me.
I really appreciate it.
- It's always fun hanging out with you.
And I'm excited about tonight.
We're gonna have some fun.
- I think so.
- Yes, sir.
- Okay.
- See you in a bit.
- All right.
- Bye, everybody.
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