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- Oh, no, not over the relics.

- The dirtier this table is, the better.

- Get away from the relics.

- That is, that's from my friend John Reeves,

he gave that to me, that's a mastodon tooth.

Or woolly mammoth, what's the difference?

What is the difference between woolly mammoth and a mastodon?

They must be a different age, a different era,

but that's a giant tooth.

- There's a company in Alaska, I forget the name,

but they kind of seems fucked to carve into this thing

'cause it is 10,000 years old, at least.

- How many of them are they though?

Did I have heaps of them?

- They have heaps of all.

But this is really cool, it's like they carved a mammoth in it.

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- Okay.

- I was just gonna say the hair maybe,

but I don't, it's obviously more.

- Woolly mammoth, right?

Yeah, a mastodon looks like an elephant.

- Yeah, the mastodon horn does look cooler.

- They're pretty cool.

- They're all pretty cool.

You know, they lived on, and they said,

well, where are the last mastodons?

- Well, I wanna say they lived on island

until like 10,000 years ago or something like that

'cause most of them died out.

They don't know how they died out,

but there's two theories.

One theory is people killed them all,

which is a shaky theory 'cause it's people of 10,000 years ago

with fucking sticks.

- Well, they ran 10,000 years ago.

- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, they died.

- We definitely did that, dude.

- I don't think so.

- I think it was a cataclysm.

I think it was the same thing that killed 65% of all megafauna.

That's the problem.

It killed so many different animals

like almost instantaneously.

- Yeah, that's it.

- 4,000 years ago, Wrangle Island,

remote Arctic Island off Siberia's coast,

had the last woolly mammoth,

till about 4,000 years ago, and that nut.

- That's nothing.

- That's nuts.

- Yeah, that's like before the pyramids were built.

- No, I mean, after the pyramids were built, bro.

- Similar time.

- Yeah, after the pyramids.

- Allegedly, I think they're probably built earlier than that,

but the official date is 2,000.

- I've seen that strange man with the beard and the--

- Which one?

- That man you had on to debate it,

who's always clapping back on Twitter

and going like, "There's nothing funny about that."

- Oh, Flint Dibble.

- Yeah, I don't want to invoke his eye.

I don't want to think he's got a lot of eye.

- He's got a lot of time and a lot of--

- I see, he enjoyed talking to him about non-archial,

non, you know, ancient history related stuff.

He has some interesting things about seeds,

like he does a lot of work in seeds.

- Okay.

- No, it's actually really interesting how--

- Like the history of seeds.

- Yeah, so save, you have a wild plant.

They can tell the difference, you know, wild plant

and an agriculturally grown plant.

- Yeah.

- And the way is the seeds change.

So when you have a wild seed,

it is more conducive to the growth of the plant

if the seeds break off easier and scatter

and they get into the ground easier.

So they break free of the plant.

But then when you use agriculture,

the seeds don't become important

for the creation of new plants

because you're always taking the seeds anyway

and planting the seeds, right?

So those seeds are more robust than they hang on more.

- Yeah.

- So you could tell by looking at the actual seeds themselves,

whether it's an agriculturally based seed

or whether it's a wild seed.

- That is good, I didn't thought about that.

- Yeah, it was really cool.

That part was cool.

The shittiness is not cool

in calling Graham Hancock a racist.

They do that with like everyone.

Everyone who has anything to say about the historical narrative

that doesn't fit into exactly what they're teaching

or what they have been teaching,

they're like so unwilling to accept

that there's any alternative timeline,

but they keep getting fucked

because over and over again,

they keep finding these new things that are older and older.

- Yeah.

- But this happens if it was the big one,

it happens in every discipline.

- Yeah.

- I mean, it happens in comedy.

There's people that don't like new comedians

that are coming up and they don't like

what they're doing differently.

- You said the thing last night about prop comedy.

- Yeah.

- Like everyone just stopped doing prop comedy

at a certain point.

- Well, it's a carotop.

- It's because it's a carotop and also

because the bullying you would receive

at the moment for having props.

There's Rick Glassman.

Am I getting his name right?

I don't know.

But he had some props and he was really funny

and he got away with it.

But he's the only person in America

other than carotop I've seen with any props.

- Well, when I started out,

there was a bunch of guys who had props.

There was a bunch of guys who had props and it was fun.

It was fun to watch.

There was, God is, Dr. Wid, I forget his name.

Dr. Wid, I forget his name.

But he was a guy when I first started out

in like the 1980s, he had props.

And he was good, he was funny comic.

- It'll be cyclical, it'll come back.

Like ladies with ukuleles had to go away for a time.

It was necessary that we purge

ukulele women from comedy.

- How many were there?

- Oh my God, I don't know.

That was, is this him?

- Dr. the legendary Wid.

- That's it, legendary Wid.

Yeah, that's the dude.

And he would do like science-based humor.

He was a funny guy.

So this is, you know, I saw him in like 88, 88, 89.

But the point was that guy was really funny

when he started bustin' out the props.

- Yeah.

And I was like, why don't you just do props?

- This is your thing.

- Yeah.

Like that kind of humor, his kind of humor,

it's almost like it's missing something

in just the straight standup form.

- There's like, there's waves of things become trendy

and then people who can't really do it

very well jump onto it.

And then it gets lime and people stop doing it.

- Well, a lot of it is one guy gets really successful

doing it and then that becomes his thing.

- We had a run of people pretending to be retarded

in Australia.

- It was like five years.

- Really high.

- Were they on the border?

- People just like slowed it down a little.

- No, we had sweaters, people having like fireworks

that they would fight into themselves

and everyone would like come out with cards

and read their act.

- That's what happens when you take away everyone's guns.

- They're trying to take them away again again.

- They already took them all away.

- Yeah.

- And then somehow we still had a massive shooting

and now the responses, well, maybe we could

take even more of them away.

- What was the nationality of the people

that caused the shooting?

- The sun, I think, was born in Australia

and the dad, there was a big fight over it on Twitter

where people were going.

He's Pakistani.

- I remember that, but I didn't,

he's not going to be more.

- He's not going to be like a star.

- No, I don't get in there.

- The big argument was over the religion of the hero

who took one of the guns away.

So like, the cops were apparently cowering.

That's the narrative, I don't know.

But one guy ran up and it's a great video

of a guy like, he runs out of guy with a gun

and wrestles the gun off him and aims the gun at him

and he does let the guy get away.

He doesn't want to kill him.

- It's kind of crazy.

- The guy just killed how many people?

- Oh, and then I think the guy gets a gun

and goes on killing people.

- No.

- Yeah, but he's not a killer.

This guy who wrestled the gun off him,

he was just a hero with a man.

- With the butt like in the movies.

- I don't know what I, I mean,

I wouldn't have ever run up to a man with a gun.

I would have been out of here.

But the argument was what religion was the guy

who took the gun.

Because people on the right really didn't want him

to be a Muslim.

They were like, it was a huge thing on X of people.

- People on the right didn't want him to be a Muslim.

- Yeah, 'cause it was Muslim shooters,

but then it looked like he was a, his name was like

Ahmed Al-Armed or something.

- But hold on, why would the people on the right

not want him to be a Muslim?

- Because then you can go, this is a Muslim thing.

Muslims were doing the shooting

and we can just go, let's deal with the Muslims.

- Oh, you mean the guy who captured the guy?

- The guy who wrestled the gun off him was also a Muslim,

which then makes it like--

- Oh, what's he?

- It's a heroic guy.

- Yeah.

- Well, his name is like, Muhammad, Muhammad, sin.

- Imagine being a regular Muslim

and having to deal with these crazy might of be grish.

- There he is.

- That guy.

- Yeah, people love him.

- But many people-- - Man, shoot the guy in the foot.

If you didn't want to kill him,

shoot him and blow his fucking ankle.

- No one can really do that and then it's a be--

Look at him, God.

- Oh, that's amazing.

And he doesn't do anything.

- He doesn't do that.

- So the guy just gets away?

- The guy does get away.

- Oh, this is not good.

- But then after he lets him get away,

I think he drops the gun and he goes away

and then he gets shot again in the arm.

But who knows what to do when there's a live?

- Yeah, you don't know what to do.

- Well, that's not a good person.

That's a good person.

He is a national hero at the moment.

And I think if he had, man,

people wanted him to be a Maronite Christian.

So bad.

The groipers were desperate for him to be.

There's a lot of people going, well, actually.

- That's the real problem we have in this country.

We want to pretend that people actually exist in groups.

Even if there's high percentages of people

from groups that are doing bad things,

there's still a giant percentage that are not

and to alienate all those people

by just lumping it all in as one group together.

- Imagine you're a peaceful Muslim

and you have to deal with this shit.

And you're like, guys, I just want to pray.

I'm just trying to find oneness with God.

I love to twirl.

But the twirling, I was trying to figure out what you were saying.

But this is what's, so after that,

the government comes out and is like cracking down

on right wing extremism.

'Cause it's a lefty government and they go,

we have a, clearly we have a problem

with right wing extremism.

So now they're trying to reclassify, like,

you know, globalized infotardered jihadism

as a form of right wing extremism.

Which I'd never, which like, yeah,

I guess it's not call me lefty stuff.

- Well, you have to look at it on paper objectively, it is.

- Yeah, but I don't know how much they hang out.

I don't know if these guys, I don't think these guys

are reading like, I don't know, William F. Buckley, Jr.

- And still, let's break down what is right wing then.

- Okay, let's say this, okay.

Do they want to completely control women's behavior

and completely dictate whether or not the woman

can leave the house with certain clothes on,

what they're allowed to do, right?

- Yeah.

- That's kind of a right wing thing, isn't it?

- Yes.

- Total religious adherence, they want a religious state.

- Yeah, but the Taliban want to dance

with little boys.

That seems like a left wing thing.

- That's a separate break off group.

They're like the Baptists.

- They're like Catholics.

You know what I mean?

You got your regular Christians,

and then you got some other motherfuckers

that are out there running wild.

- But you're talking about the main ones, how about this?

- What about the women's?

- Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

It's like, they're a break off group.

It's not, the ones who are banging the boys,

that's not normal.

There's a lot of guys out there

that are Muslim that are not banging boys.

So when you connect them with the Taliban,

they're like, bro, I'm just praying over here.

- It's all people just trying to have fun.

- Yeah.

- Yeah.

- Who might have judged anybody?

- The problem is when you push these people,

it's the same thing that happens

when you call everyone a racist.

What do you get?

You get a Nick Quintess.

You get a guy who emerges,

he's got the balls to a shit talk and have fun

and say wild things that are very inappropriate

and sometimes racist.

That's what you get.

You get someone embraces that guy

because you've been told you're a racist

just for being white.

You know, you've been told

there's something wrong with you, white male.

Like there was a time where someone would say something

and comments all the time, watch these people arguing.

And someone, it was a common thing to say,

as a white man, I think you should probably

shut your fucking mouth.

Like as a white man, like if you're a white man,

you're just qualified from having an opinion

on something because you are a white man.

- Yeah.

- So another form of racism is just an accepted form

of racism that's really weird.

- But then you, like Nick Quintess is getting

all his other ideas through as well.

'Cause he was the only person saying,

things that the average person would think was kind of normal.

- Well, I didn't think about this as,

'cause every person, a lot of the stuff

is you saying it was not something the average person

would think it was all right.

- But you sneak your other weird stuff through,

like when everyone's going--

- Right, right, right, right, right.

- You know, like when he says,

when he's getting attacked,

we're going like a black neighborhood

is going to be more violent on average in America.

You go, yes, I've traveled around the country

and that is, I think there's a long history

for why that's true.

- Well, it's factually correct.

- That seems to be correct.

The question is though, why?

And that's where it gets uncomfortable.

Because the real reason for why is a host of factors.

But the primary one is crime and poverty.

The primary one is they live in a community

that's filled with crime and poverty.

And if you have drugs,

and if you have a community where people are selling drugs

and it's crime and poverty,

you're going to get a lot of violence,

whether it's an Italian community, Armenian community,

or any community where you got a lot of crime

and a lot of poverty.

I first came here and went to Appalachia.

- People are going to kill them.

- There are white people doing crazy, crazy things.

- You ever see the wild, wonderful whites of West Virginia?

- I watched it like a week ago.

- Fucking amazing.

- The most charismatic family I've ever seen.

- Knoxville did that, didn't he?

- Yeah, he produced that.

- Yeah, bro, that dude.

- And I mean, if you're so homesick,

I was only there for a couple months.

I wanted to go back so bad.

- The dance and outlaw.

- He's, one of the like granddaddy had a new way of dancing.

And it's the most insane.

(laughing)

- Was that really going to take off?

- It did.

- Was that the style of dancing?

- When you're on meth, it's awesome.

- I mean, this was the perfect dance style.

- Stay with him.

- Oh, they were on everything.

- They were on the wall.

- How about the lady?

- I'm always been thought of as a sexy one.

- She was a stripper, remember her?

- Yeah, no, it's a voice.

- I did a big deep dive on Wikipedia about them afterwards.

- She stomped the kitten.

- Which one's dancing here?

- This is Jessica, the American owl.

- Jessica, he's the younger guy.

- He's, just go, lives out the legacy.

- Excuse me?

- He's like, he keeps the dance in a life.

He's the one who's a celebrity in the show.

- Right, right.

- But then there's another documentary about him.

And in both documentaries,

he complains about a woman making his eggs wrong.

- Yeah, that's that dude, yeah.

- He's got it.

- He's a charismatic guy.

- Yeah, he said he would cut her

if she gave him brother eggs.

- Sloppy eggs.

- Settle down, bro.

Like maybe we shouldn't be celebrating this.

- But I think, I think one of them just got out of prison.

I think the one who at the start of that documentary.

- God, I hope Trump got him out.

- Who got out?

What do you do?

- The one who shot his uncle in the truck.

- Oh, that kid, yeah.

- I think he just got, that's the sexy one.

- Yes.

- And sexy's one of the family.

Listen to what he said, how the voice says it though.

The voice is incredible.

- This is pictures.

- I think that's sexy one.

I think she did get in trouble for stepping on a cat.

- Well, there was a thing in that film

that was interesting though, towards the end,

where you see some of them are trying to move away

from that life, that one girl got sober.

So there was a take to it where they realized like,

hey, this is not sustainable.

This is a crazy way to live.

I'm a mother, what am I doing?

She was trying to get out of it.

Which I think a lot of people do come to the realization

if you're in that kind of a community.

I gotta get the fuck away from these crazy assholes

and stop doing meth.

- It is?

- Yeah, I think.

- But it's how do you do it?

See, this is the thing.

This is the thing when you say like,

is it true that there's a higher percentage

of murders that occur in black communities.

Right, right.

But as opposed to poor communities,

like what about like in deeply impoverished communities?

Like, and then when you introduce a history

of gang violence and crime and no one ever does anything

to stop it, it's gonna stay the same.

Whether it's in Appalachia or whether it's a,

the hat feels in the McCoy's, all those motherfuckers

were killing each other back in the Wild West days of me,

it's probably horrible back then, why?

Because they let it be that way.

Nobody did anything about it.

You couldn't stop them.

- And I think some of the solutions for it are very bad.

This is my, I don't wanna speak out of tune,

'cause it's not my country.

But like when I've been driving through,

people love to come to America and tell us what to do.

- I love it.

- I think it's the greatest country in the world.

And I repeat that again.

- Me too.

- When I drive through like a bad area

and there's like a planned parenthood

with a line around the block, and things set on fire.

And you can just like,

I know that planned parenthood started out

as a eugenicist organization where they went,

like that was the lady who founded it, that was her thing.

And you can really see in those neighborhoods,

it's like, if you have a child here,

you're gonna be tied to this community.

We want you to get out.

We want people who have the spirit to get out of here

and to live a good, full life in America,

not to be tied down to being in like a really difficult,

crime-riddled area. - Yeah.

- So abort your children so you can get out.

It seems to be the,

I think they're still doing the eugenicist thing.

I've been like, just be free for different reasons,

not because they want to dilute the numbers

in the population or whatever.

But because they go,

you've got to be a free person who can leave

and children will tie you to a place.

- Yeah, that's a way to look at it.

- That was when I was driving through,

I forget Wisconsin, Northern Wisconsin.

I don't know.

I just hit with this.

So, oh man, it's like usually the rough area of a town

is lifted up by a freeway in America.

Like you don't see, if you drive into Chicago,

you just way up here on a freeway

and then you come down into like the most beautiful buildings

you've ever seen in your life and people go,

it's very scary over in the other part of Chicago,

and you go, I never saw it.

I was, I was 30 feet in the air,

but in some places I have driven through it

and I've gone, all right, stop and you go, this,

someone's like, if I lived here,

I mean, there are some areas that are so rough.

It's like, man, if I lived here,

I would go and steal and kill from the people

who live 20 minutes up the road for sure.

You don't, like, you just drive 20 minutes up the road

and there's a German town and everything's perfect

and everyone's rich and everyone's beautiful.

And this doesn't happen in, I don't know,

I'm from a very flat country, by comparison,

for highs and lows here are incredible.

And you can, all of it's real close.

I used to say that like when I lived in LA,

I was like, you know, people like this is a good neighborhood.

I go right, but you know, people from a bad neighborhood

can just come into your good neighborhood?

You know about all that, right?

When people were like, why do you have dogs?

Why do you have guns?

I was like, what, like do you watch the news?

- Yeah. - Are you fucking crazy?

Like, you gotta be careful out there.

And most of the time, it's not going to happen to you.

The 99.99% of people will never experience

anything awful, but to not have any idea

that it could ever happen to you is bad.

I think the real problem, and this is the one

that just doesn't get addressed with any politicians ever,

is something massive has to be done to stop this,

like ancestral, like this lineage of people

that are coming from these crime-ridden places,

and no one changes anything about it at all.

We had a cop on once from Baltimore,

and he was telling us that while he was on duty,

he found this like crime sheet, a dock sheet

of all the things that happened in like 76 or something like that.

And he was reading all the areas and all the crimes,

and it dawned on him.

It was like, oh my God, like this is the same crimes

in the same area decades later, and nothing has changed.

They need to do something huge.

Like treat that as if it's an untapped resource

of human potential, because that's what it is.

All those people in that community,

if they had been born and raised

with different families in a different place,

completely different outcome.

A giant percentage of who you are is dumb luck.

And if the people that got the worst luck

to be born in a crack house, or be born in a place

where there's gang violence on the street every day,

and you go to school and you have to pick a gang,

if you don't pick a gang, different can kill you.

Like, what are you gonna do?

Like, you're not gonna do anything,

but what everybody else is doing.

That's what most people are gonna do.

The few that are gonna break out,

maybe they're musicians, or an athlete,

or something like that, they break out.

But for the most part, you're fucked.

But what it is, is untapped and unrealized human potential

that's going to waste, on the most stupid fucking shit

in the world.

But then when you try and do something like that

in America, the pushback is huge.

Like, I think this is--

- Well, what is the pushback of investing into communities?

- Well, I would say, I think the national guard

going into some places.

- Okay, that's different.

- So that's what it can look like sometimes.

Like, that's what I can look into this administration.

- Portland, yeah, there's gotta be a better way of doing it.

- Well, you're just gonna get too much pushback.

But what you can't do is let it get to the point

where it's feasible to call on the national guard.

That's what's crazy.

It's like, their law enforcement has been so handcuffed

by the administrations, especially in Northwestern United States.

Like, everybody, they don't get enough sun,

they lost their fucking mind, and once depressed,

and everyone's trans.

It's crazy up there.

It's crazy.

- I was just in Portland.

I was in Portland just before the national guard went in,

and I was in Portland like--

- How insane.

- It's so much, you can walk around a little, a little easier.

- Oh, absolutely, National Guard.

- I wasn't like that.

I know people were very upset in Portland about that,

but I think just quietly, they were going,

it's kind of nice to have to look into the train station again.

- The mayor in DC, thank Trump.

- Yeah.

- This is like the safest it's ever been here,

since you're brought in the national guard.

But the problem is, that's a fucking precedent.

So here's the thing, if it's necessary.

Let's say you have a place that's a literal,

not even a real place, a fictional place in America,

where there's a literal gang war going on,

and dozens of people are getting shot every day,

and it's basically a war zone.

Let's just imagine a place like that.

You would say, okay, it's probably a good idea

to bring in the military and control that,

because the entire population is at risk.

It's very dangerous.

It's a literal war zone in the middle

of a modern American city.

We have to stop that.

- Oh, the thing is, people are lighting newspaper stands

on fire, people are doing this,

people are breaking the starposts.

Let's bring in the military.

People aren't obeying the speech laws.

Let's bring in the military.

People are not using their digital ID.

Let's bring in the military.

It's like, there's gotta be a separation

between our army and our civilians,

and it has to be a big fucking reason

to break that separation.

- Well, I think, I mean, you did it in the '60s in the South

when, like, busing Canada, sorry, y'all,

or the United States, when Jim Crow was happening

in the South, the military got sent in.

And people, you desegregated the South by force.

So that was deemed to be like an appropriate use of,

like a monopoly on violence to enact a social change.

Like, you're not gonna have segregated schools anymore.

We're gonna have the military there

and make sure that this works out.

- Crazy, after bringing that, the military,

to get people to allow black people

and white people to go to school together.

- I mean, yeah, they didn't want it.

- Well, it's just so weird when I go to the South now

because everyone is so friendly

and people do seem to get along,

and you go, your grandparents were like,

- Bro, they had to rip the land down.

- Doing the craziest stuff.

- Well, it's terrible.

I mean, the Emmett Till,

I just found out about that after I got here.

It's unbelievable.

And they were still shooting the Emmett Till statue

that they put up.

They had to like, replace it with a bronze statue.

So the bullet holes wouldn't affect me.

- Really?

That's what was going on.

- I believe that was what was happening until like,

- Sure wasn't just one KKK dude

that ruined everybody else.

- It may have been one dude.

You know what I'm saying?

That's the problem.

You get one wacky guy in a neighborhood

and you know, that's a racist neighborhood.

They were shooting the Emmett Till statue.

Maybe about one asshole or the entire shop, you know?

One fucking dude smelling his own farts

and loading up his rifle.

- That one, I can saw MMA fighter who kept saying

that he loved Hitler, did a lot.

Did a lot to hurt the reputation of that football team?

- Yeah, right, Rachel.

- The razor backs in the back.

- Yeah, that wasn't a, I think he did not phrase that well.

I think there's a lot of people, here's the thing.

There's a lot of people that become experts

and I'm guilty of this as well.

By, you're talking about something

where you maybe watch the YouTube video.

You know what I mean?

Like maybe you read an article about it.

It's some fucking political, who knows?

Who knows where you read it?

It could be some crazy right wing source.

You read something, you took it as fact.

And then you talk to a bunch of other people

that also take it as fact.

And the next thing you know, you start talking and...

- You start showing the world?

- Saying shit, yeah, that's me.

- Okay, the people always criticize that.

People always have a go at the podcast

is for like spouting off on things that they're not.

- Yeah, but that is what I do.

- But how come there's no responsibility

on the mainstream legacy media

for having gotten really, really boring over the last?

- Not just 15, 20 years ago.

- Boring is...

- I would say lying as well.

- Compromise.

- Completely compromised, totally untrustworthy,

completely compromised.

- I just got the New York Times app.

'Cause I thought, I have a look at that.

I finally got enough money where I compared Dollar Week

to be on the New York Times app.

- Yeah.

- And it's so, I mean, they've built Twitter.

It's like the experience of it and the scrolling on it.

It feels like you're in Twitter,

but only mediated through selected journalists

from the New York Times.

And suddenly you're like, I'm just stepping into for a moment.

Whatever bubble that is, I wanted to take a look at it.

It's like...

- I think they're all gonna have to course correct.

- I think they're all gonna have to realize that it's not,

it's not being intellectual.

Like a true intellectual, a true progressive

by only looking at things from one perspective.

And to automatically assume that anybody that has

a different perspective, okay, we're back.

- There we go.

- Where was I?

- So they need to have a course correction.

We're talking about the mainstream media

and that they've lost that many people.

- That's what I'm saying.

Was that you can't proclaim yourself to be intellectual

by only listening to one perspective

and to being like very aggressive and hostile

about the other perspective.

Immediate ad hominemes, immediate attacks on,

you know, lumping everyone in together,

associated, like we were talking about earlier,

associating ancient history with racism.

Like you're doing that, it's a little trick you're doing.

You're not having a real conversation.

You're being a bitch.

And this kind of communication sucks.

It sucks for the left, it sucks for the right.

When people on the right, it sucks for it's a bad human

communication skill.

If you were good at it,

you would want other people to have different opinions

and you'd want to hear those opinions

and talk to those people.

- I think they're trying a course correct.

This is what we have to watch, and it's who they're,

I don't want to, they love Schultz at the New York Times.

- Well, he goes over there.

- They picked him.

Yes, they've picked him up.

- But he goes over there and talks to them.

- Yeah, well, he's very smart.

- They want him.

- Sure, and another, he's another guy's very smart

and very fun.

You know, so like they want these people

because they've been kind of locked out of the fun.

- Yeah.

Well, they just pretended that it didn't exist.

- Do you see Schultz talk to them though?

- I haven't talked to them.

- On the round table?

- Yeah, it was right.

- It's hilarious because they're talking

in these bullshit terms.

- Yeah.

- And he's like, "Hold on, let's just talk real here."

- Well, he goes, "The Jews."

(laughs)

- And everybody locks, 'cause he's a comedian.

- He's a lad to be funny.

- Yeah, and there was another one that he did

with another guy.

I forget from one other mainstream media publication.

It was the same sort of situation.

And to have it that way, where it's a one-on-one conversation,

then you get to see like the weird way

that they actually think, communicate, the bubble.

Like Tim, when Tim Dylan was on CNN.

- This is the CNN one.

I was gonna say it's one of the marina.

'Cause she kept asking this, she didn't want it.

They resisted releasing that as a long form.

- Yes.

- And you can see why?

'Cause she's asking the same question three or four times

in a row to try and bait something.

Which is not how a conversation works.

- We pressured them into putting the whole thing out.

- She keeps going, "Really, come on."

Just to get him, 'cause he's a fun guy,

and he wants to say something funny,

and she's like baiting him to say something exaggerated.

- Yeah, John Stewart had the best response

to this whole thing.

He just talked to some guy from the New Yorker,

and they were talking about this podcast.

And he's like, you know, they were talking about

different opinions and different people that I've talked to.

And he's like, "But Joe Rogan has the biggest audience

in the world. Here's a bigger audience."

He's like, "Well, go get a big audience."

- Yeah.

- "Go get it."

- It's not like that I don't have the finances.

- You just go figure it out, do it right,

and you'll get a big audience.

Like it's not that fucking complicated.

I don't have pyrotechnics, there's no CGI.

There's not even a crew.

I mean, there's a skeleton crew of people who do this.

- But I think some of it is the,

it's just like ivory tower mentality of if it becomes,

but like that they think there is a sense in people

who have got like a very big education

and have gone through the whatever system

you have to jump through to get to an elite legacy thing,

is that most people are too stupid to have like

an open on honest conversation with,

and that if stupid people like you, then that's a problem.

That's how they're viewing the world.

And that there's like--

- Well, there's also people in the world

in that they're protecting people from opinions

they don't agree with.

Even though they listen to those opinions

it has no effect on their position.

They keep the same position.

But they're worried that people dumber than them.

It's a very condescending thought process.

- To think that you're the only open-minded person.

- Not only that, and people that are dumber,

which is most people, you're going to fall into the trap

of what this person's saying that I don't agree with.

- And this, yes, and that the only way

to get people to listen to you is to like spin lies,

that like you can't just be honest,

which is what I think the podcasting thing is,

it's what it is, it's a long--

You can't really put on a facade

for three hours talking to somebody.

- Maybe again.

- I think that might be who he is at this point.

- Yeah, he is definitely that.

Well, that's why I wanted to do a podcast with him.

So you could say three hours, by the way,

no questions beforehand, no prep, didn't pee,

sat there for three hours.

He's almost 80, like if he was wearing a diaper respect,

but the guy just fucking hung out for three hours.

Does that mean I agree with everything he does?

- Fuck no, of course not.

- But he was able to be himself for three,

he was able to talk for three hours.

Where's Kamala?

Wouldn't do it.

- Well, she couldn't have, she could have done it.

I'm telling you, man.

- I watched her find six minutes on Stephen Colby and I don't

think she could have done it.

- It's different, it's different.

He's kind of being like an interviewer, right?

He's in this weird position where he's at a desk,

the desk is beside you for some reason,

'cause that's how they always used to do it.

So these fucking uncreative people just do it

the exact same way always.

It doesn't make any sense.

Why's he at a desk?

Is he writing?

What is he having?

Did he have pens in the drawer?

Like what are we doing here?

Like why am I on a couch over here?

Why am I sitting down like to the right of you?

It's weird.

It's always in the same position.

Host is always to the right.

They're always to the left of the screen.

It's goofy, right?

So he's doing this thing that you only do on television

in front of an audience by the way.

Should never have a conversation in front of an audience.

Because as soon as you do,

the people are aware of the audience.

You're aware of how people think and feel

and you're playing to them.

And some people say things to try to get a rise

out of you in front of the audience.

I like, yeah.

If you wanna do that, it's a different thing.

But if you're gonna have like a really important conversation

with someone, you don't wanna do it in a fucking audience.

So Stephen, the way he's doing is handicapped from the jump.

Also, you only have seven minutes

before you have to cut for commercial or whatever it is.

You can't do that.

You, it'll take me seven minutes to ask what she likes to cook.

I wanna know what she, who she, I don't know.

I wanna know, is there anything that she regrets doing?

Is she ever, what does she learn from this time?

Is it more complicated being a vice president

than he thought it was gonna be?

Like what is the web of trying to fix things

and change things versus the people

that are influencing you to make decisions?

'Cause we're not pretending

that people don't spend a lot of money

to influence your decision.

So how much of an effect does it have?

- What do you actually believe

when they come to you asking for those five minutes?

- What would be better, could we take money out of politics?

Would you be willing, what would we do

if we completely eliminated corporate funding

of any politicians?

How would that change everything?

Those are the kind of questions we could have liked.

We could have talked for hours about that.

- But she doesn't wanna do that.

And the people around her, this is what I meant,

there's like, there's something that is,

the right used to have this as well.

And both sides of politics had it.

And I remember, there was like, how would Dane,

I think it was, did a weird screen.

- Yeah, one screen.

- And the whole thing fell apart.

And that really stayed with me.

That I remember watching politics

and there was some sense of like,

everything is very manufactured.

And if you make a single mistake, oh my God,

you know, lose the primary, it's all over.

And Trump destroyed that with the Republicans.

Where it all became very, we've just got to like,

hang out and talk and everyone got very Lucy Goosey

on the right.

And the Democrats have not adjusted to that

and had their, like Bernie could do it.

They just froze Bernie out

and they did everything they could to stop him coming through.

- Right, like Marjorie Taylor Greene,

you could not have a person like that before Trump.

That would, there's no way.

There's no way.

- I mean, you can't have her with, she's gone.

- She's gone now.

- She's gone, but she wouldn't have existed without him.

Like that sort of rash, crazy personality.

That had not existed in a Congress person.

- And there will be someone on the left who can do that.

- Jasmine Pocket.

- She's doing that.

- Man, maybe.

- She gets aggressive.

- She does.

- And they get crazy with each other.

- Listen, it's a reality show now.

- I know people don't like her.

- I think she's hip, she would maybe come on the show.

- Mm-hmm.

- Okay.

- Have you invited him to come on the show?

- No.

(laughing)

- Listen, I think--

- I do scared.

Have me on the show.

- I think a lot of them are probably very nice people.

Very nice people.

They're, and this is not an attack on any individuals.

I think that system turns you into a sociopath.

That's what I think.

And I think there's very few people, Tulsie Gabbard,

my friend being one of them.

I'd love her.

It's amazing.

She's a real person.

Like, that lady is the same person on air, off air,

meeting people, hanging out with her husband.

I've hung out with her hours and hours and hours.

That's who she is.

She's cool as fuck.

And she was a congress person, but she has horror stories.

- Yeah.

- When she tells you, like, what it's like on the inside,

and when you find out how these people

are making hundreds of millions of dollars

on a hundred and seventy thousand dollars a year salary,

and no one's batting an eye.

That is kind of cookie.

It's kind of cookie, 'cause even ones

you wouldn't suspect, like, wait a minute.

They're worth how much?

Now, you don't really know how much they're worth, right?

You'd have to get an audit, right?

'Cause what you're hearing is a reporting

of what they're worth.

And it could be total propaganda.

It could be half of what it is.

But even if it's millions, even if it's a couple million,

if you've been a congressperson for two years,

and now all of a sudden you're worth three million dollars,

and you were in debt before you became a congressperson,

that's suspicious.

And if you look at the fucking,

the people that invest money,

that's where it gets really crazy,

because it is not a blue thing,

and it's not a red thing.

It's both.

Everybody is making money on the stock market.

There's a shitload of these people

that are buying a bunch of stock

and then conveniently a short time later,

a bill gets passed that they were working on,

that makes it very profitable for that country,

stock shoots through the roof.

They make a giant windfall.

- I'm trying to remember who said it.

There was someone said about like,

you can sort of believe what you want in American politics,

and you'll get rich for it.

Like no matter what you actually believe,

there's a group out there who are gonna get you rich

for having a belief in it.

Like it's the environmental people,

if it's the fossil fuel people.

- Right.

- I mean, they would be varying scales of it,

but also you can fix this.

- Like there are ways to--

- To fix the money in politics.

- I've been reading a lot about Lee Kuan Yew.

- Who's that?

- He was the sort of the dictator of Singapore.

They might not like that, 'cause he won.

Don't go there.

- He won, he won elections.

But Singapore is like a single party state.

- Oh, so it's like when Putin wins.

- I don't wanna get in trouble with the people of Singapore.

- Listen.

- But it is notable that one party wins every single time,

and they don't primary and they win almost all the seats,

and they are really popular.

But he brought in like canings and he got drugs out of the country,

and he started paying the politicians a lot.

Like if you're a politician in Singapore,

you get a huge salary,

but you are not to ever be corrupt.

Like you meant to have enough money

that they can't really buy you.

And that might be the only way,

'cause if you have, you know,

what are you, what are you earning?

$170,000 a year to be a congressperson.

If they are making $3 million a year,

and the punishment for taking money from anybody else

or from getting a stock, you know, maybe you can't own stocks,

but we give you $3 million a year.

- Right.

- Then at least you can't be swayed.

Like you're taking a lot of tax money to do the job,

but at least there's some insulation

on someone being able to go,

I want you to vote this way.

- I think if you have a totalitarian dictatorship,

you could probably pull that off,

because if the politician is bad, you could shoot him.

- Yes.

- The problem in America, if you have $3 million,

and you know a guy who's got $50 million,

you feel poor, because we're retarded.

- All right, Brian Callan as a friend who's worth,

I think he's worth $8 billion,

and he feels broke, because his friend is worth 30.

- I don't know, for real.

There's people that get that goofy.

- I've met, I've seen it a couple times.

- So if you're in the business of trying to make money,

which is what most politicians are,

it's like they decided not to go into sales,

they go into politics, they're trying to make

as much money as they can while they're there, right?

That's what most people are doing with most jobs.

If you're doing that and you're just kind of a person

who's drawn to that kind of a job,

you're not gonna be happy with your salary.

If you find out that there's some NGO

that you can invest in, and you can start a non-profit,

and then it becomes a profit,

and you can funnel money overseas,

and then corporations that you buy into also

can use the laws that you're passing,

you're gonna do it anyway.

- This is what Plato says.

- They're gonna say, I cannot be corrupted.

You'd have to kill 'em.

If you catch 'em corrupt, you gotta shoot 'em

in front of everybody, you're gonna say,

this is what happens when you steal from America.

Boom, I'm not saying you should do that,

but I'm saying that's the only way you're gonna stop it.

It would have to be a totalitarian dictatorship,

but then it brings us back to the thing

about using the military in the cities.

When do you draw the line?

When do you draw the line?

Like, okay, what's hate speech, right?

So, hate speech can mean a bunch of different things

to different people.

So, as soon as you say, we can't permit hate speech.

Okay, well then you can't permit freedom of speech

because you're just defining hate by whatever.

That's the same line when you bring the military

into those cities.

It's the same line.

It's like you're doing something you shouldn't be able to do,

and you're justifying doing it, saying,

because this is a special case.

The problem is, what if that gets solved,

you're gonna move further to the more,

you've already got me to allow you to arrest,

you can arrest me for tweeting things.

Okay, I've already said yes to that.

So, what else is next?

Like, you're gonna keep going.

If you make money, you wanna make more money.

If you pass laws, you wanna wanna pass more laws.

Yeah, that's how you get numbers on the board.

That's how you win this fucking game.

You can't let 'em ever score.

Then you have to de-game the system.

Well, you don't tell me.

If you're gonna have a democracy, you have to have--

Yeah, you gotta de-game the system.

But the problem is, there's so much profit in it,

and they get to vote on whether or not

they can still do this insider trading thing, right?

Which is bananas.

Like, who thinks we should still steal?

Oh, can we have an anonymous vote?

(laughing)

You don't have this problem with an aristocracy.

That's all I'm saying.

Well, if you finally go back to the padded wigs--

There is a real-- There's a terrible argument for that,

because you're just hoping that the person

is a benevolent dictator.

That's the best case scenario.

You get a benevolent king.

Well, how many of those have ever existed?

They've had so many beautiful benevolent kings.

We've got a benevolent king right now in my country.

It's strange, right?

It's like, there's no right way to run people,

because no one really should be one--

There's never a time where it makes sense,

where one person is the head dude of 350 million people.

That is nuts.

That is completely nuts.

Yeah.

But you also-- I mean, as a country,

you have a great tolerance, I think,

compared to other Western democracies,

for letting there be some chaos.

Yeah, because we have guns.

That's part of it.

I think-- You're a really armed country.

Thorating chaos allows you to have the gun start.

Like, if you didn't have the virtue of going--

Some people are going to get shot,

and we're going to be OK with that.

Well, it's not just that.

It's like, you know, it was written into the Constitution,

because we were rebelling, right?

We were rebelling from a dictatorship.

We had escaped.

And when we had declared that this was a country,

we were like, we got to stay strapped,

because these motherfuckers might come back.

And we all agreed to that.

Yeah.

And then it got to a point where people go, OK,

but they were talking about muskets.

Now people have AR-15s.

Now people have switches they could put on clocks,

and they can fire automatically.

Is it tactical, nuclear weapon,

defended under the Second Amendment?

You want to hear the scariest thing that I heard?

This is a guy that was talking about the UAP program,

and the back engineering of flying saucers.

Yeah.

What do they call it a simultaneous or a spontaneous?

What was the word that he used for it?

Instantaneous.

Instantaneous.

That these UFOs that they believe use

some sort of a gravity--

some sort of a propulsion system that's

unknown to modern science, standard conventional science.

And they can transport, literally transport,

like going from place to place in space instantaneously.

And so what do the United States government try to do?

They try to use it as a method of delivering a nuclear bomb.

So an instantaneous nuclear payload delivery system.

That's what they were calling flying saucers.

The first thing they thought about doing with them

was instantaneously deliver a nuke.

So no one could retaliate, and they didn't even see it coming.

You would just have a flying saucer with a nuke

appear at the Kremlin.

What's weird though, you guys had that capability for years.

Allegedly.

No, I mean, when no one else had the nuclear bomb,

and when we didn't have good anti-air programs,

and just America alone had nuclear weapons,

you could have at that point.

You could have said, we're in charge of the world now,

or everyone's dead.

Well, there was a bunch of people that did.

That's what Dr. Strange loves all about, right?

You made movies about it, and you talked about it,

but you didn't do it when the Suez crisis kicked off.

I think Eisenhower's like, can we get a nuke in there?

And people say, no, Mr. President.

They came real close to nukeing things three or four times.

What a beautiful thing that you held back.

Yes.

No one else would have.

I'd talk about this, I think about this a lot,

that if anyone else had discovered the nuclear weapon,

that's it.

You'd have global Germany by one power.

Well, I think that is one thing about America

that most people will agree to, is that we like to think

of ourselves as being the best country in America,

and that comes with responsibility.

Being the greatest superpower comes with responsibility.

That's why people get real uncomfortable about, like,

drone bombings, statistics, and shit like that

to get real uncomfortable, because it makes you really,

really question what we do.

Yeah.

You know, when you tell people, do you know that, like,

more than 80% of the people that die in drone bombings

or civilians, accidental kills?

Listen, every time someone tries to be nice about Obama,

then they have to go anywhere the drone bombings.

Yeah.

A lot of innocent people.

I know.

They always have to do that.

You know, listen, I think we found out through Obama

most likely what you find out through anybody that gets

through there that's not Trump, is that they immediately

co-opped you into the system.

You had no idea how the system worked until you got in there.

You were a senator for two years, and then also

in your president.

Yes, I'm amazing ideas, and you're a great spokesperson,

and probably the best statesmen we've ever had.

Like the best representative of the best about America.

A guy who is from a single mom, you know, grew up poor,

didn't, you know, didn't have silver spoon in his mouth.

Yeah.

Forget about all the narratives of him being narrated

somehow to the bushes.

There's a lot of that.

I didn't know that.

Oh, there's like a whole conspiracy theory.

But point is that what you got is a guy who is promoting

hope and change, right?

And that's what we were all really hoping was going to happen.

But not it was really kind of like another bush term

in terms of like foreign policy, in terms of a lot of things.

In terms of like the way America felt about America, though,

it was good.

It was like, hey, racism has obviously stopped

being an issue to get you to be the president of the United

States, because a black man just won.

And it's not saying that racism doesn't exist,

but we're doing better than we used to do.

This was not possible when Martin Luther King Jr. was making

his "I Have a Dream" speech, but it is possible now.

So we have progressed.

And he's brilliant.

And he's well-measured and calm and peaceful.

And he never calls reporters Piggy.

He never makes me tweets when his enemies die.

So it's a representative of America.

It's gone to the point where the Rob Rhino tweet just

went, it just like--

It killed it for a lot of people.

Is that it?

But no, I mean, I saw it.

And I was like, oh, yeah.

Of course, he's mocking a dead man.

Well, that guy tried to jail him for a year.

And this is not forgiving him for that.

Is there's not--

Rob Rhino tried to jail.

Oh, my God.

There's a video of him working with intelligence agents.

He was working with James Clapper.

And who's the other guy?

Clapper.

And how come I can't remember that?

I just-- I still think it's a good policy

that once a guy dies.

But this is a well-produced 100%.

It was with McCain as well.

I remember that they headed each other.

I know, 100%.

It's gross.

It's gross thing to mock a man after he's dead.

It's just pointless.

But the real problem is, it's a bad look

for America in general.

It's a mark of cruelty that ultimately

could lead people to think differently about America

and perhaps motivate attacks.

That's a real thing.

Like a cookie person, you can sway them either way

by the vibe the country is giving off.

And the president is giving off a vibe

that his enemy, he's mocking the fact that his enemy was

obsessed with him.

And that's what led to his son going crazy and killing him.

I've had friends come over and visit me.

And almost all of them have been scared to come.

Like people who haven't been to America before.

They're scared to come to America?

People are very scared to come to America.

Good.

Yeah.

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Well, this is like not Honduras, this is just a strand.

So there's gun violence.

If you just-- if all you're seeing is the news,

you go, well, civil wars right around the corner.

Well, that's what they want.

And it's like--

That's what they want.

But way more interested in college football

than killing each other in the street.

Especially in Texas.

Most people are way more interested in living their lives.

The problem is when your life becomes that.

The problem is when your life becomes a cause.

When your life-- whether it's a religious cause,

a jihadist cause, a right wing cause, a left wing

cause, your life becomes a fucking cause.

We have to stop oil now.

And you're gluing your fucking hand to a painting.

There's a lot of nutty, stupid shit

that goes on with just being a human being.

And it's all accelerated results from eating.

But I find it heartening that people give a shit here.

That people know on some level.

Maybe they don't have a good grasp

of what's actually happening in the world.

But there's a sense in America that people

kind of know who their politicians are.

They're across what the issues that they're

being asked to vote on.

And in Australia, the extent to which people have no idea

what is going on and are so checked out

and don't know any of it and are not actively

participating in democracy.

You guys really care.

Like, people primary and they scrutinize people

and there's some belief that you can still

get involved in politics here.

I really-- it's like the most heartening thing about it.

And that's the downside is if everybody cares,

then you do get.

You get people going off the deep end.

Well, you just got to keep it a fair game.

And as long as you keep it a fair game,

if you don't do a good job, and that

person gets into power, you fucked up.

So now, your team has to regroup and rebuild

and come back again in four years.

And that's what it's supposed to be.

But when you start trying to do things like moving

all the illegals to specific states

so that you get more congressional seats

because of the census.

And then you start giving them Social Security numbers,

and Medicaid, and Medicare.

And you start rigging the system

because you want to bring in more voters and you're spending.

And this is what they did.

This is undeniable at this point.

The Federer was copped to it.

He was like, yeah, I saw him on you.

It's undeniable what they did.

And I get it, like you're playing a dirty game,

they're playing a dirty game.

And this is not a right or left thing.

I remember that hacking democracy documentary

that was on HBO back in the day.

It was during the Bush administration.

And this hacking democracy, they tested these voting

machines, and this is a long time ago, right?

So this is like, what was it like?

2004, Jamie?

What was that?

Somewhere around then, so this was a much less sophisticated

system that I'm sure that they're using today.

But there was a third party input.

For some reason, it had been set up

so a third party can input data into the machine

and change the votes.

And they did it on TV.

They did it on TV.

They showed that they could do it easily.

And they affected the votes.

So they showed back then, they were essentially saying

that the Bush administration had rigged the vote.

And that's how they got Bush in the office.

And this company that made these machines

was a big contributor to the Republican party.

So this shit has been going on on both sides.

But that was true, I mean, in 2000, that was true.

So here everybody thinks it's a JFK election.

The film investigates, oh, for sure, the JFK election.

The flawed integrity of the electronic voting

machines, particularly those made by die-bowl election systems

exposing previously unknown backdoors

in the die-bowl trade secret computer software.

The film culminates dramatically in the on camera hacking

of the in-use working die-bowl election system

in Leon County, Florida, the same computer voting system

which has been used in actual American elections

across 33 states and which still counts

tens of millions of American votes today.

Whoa, today is that real?

The same fucking machines?

When it was written, I don't know.

When did this article come out?

This is Wikipedia, I don't know.

Usually up there.

Bro, that's crazy if they're still using the same machines.

That's, like, well, that was a thing during Georgia, right?

They were supposed to upgrade their machines,

but they decided to wait until after the election to do it.

Why is there no pressure to make the elections feel more real?

I think because they're both rigging it.

Right, but if they're both rigging it.

I don't think neither of them was rigging it.

They just want to win, man.

And then call everybody conspiracy theorists.

Both sides, by the way.

This is not one side or the other.

I think both sides are trying to do whatever the fuck they can.

I don't think both sides rigging it is the same--

Okay, it's been used in business in the US since 2009.

Well, this is about the Bush administration to die both things.

And what you're hearing about mail and ballots,

that's about the left.

It's like you're getting the same thing on both sides.

One of the things that Rep Luna said when she was on the podcast,

I thought it was fascinating.

She's like, "There's certain problems that they don't want to fix

'cause they can campaign finance against it.

They can, like, get people to donate money against it."

Okay.

You know, like, they could run on that platform.

We're gonna fix this.

Like, they don't want to fix it.

Because that's how they get money.

Right, like, if you're in your homelessness--

Whatever organization you actually need the homeless

so you can keep existing.

Notably, that's even worse.

They're incentivized to have more homeless.

Yeah.

They get paid per homeless.

So if they have more homeless people, they could say,

"Hey, we need a bigger budget.

We have more homeless people."

I remember when we had the unemployed in Australia,

it was like, we had these companies that would,

it was their job to get you a job.

And the government would pay the money.

But you got more money for finding someone a job

if they've been unemployed for a longer period of time.

So it's like, don't try to find them a job

for the first two years, all right?

Two years in, then get them a job.

Yeah, you're growing some plans.

You don't want to pick it so early?

Yeah, it's not.

I don't think the answer is just a good king

who solves everybody's problem.

But I really do.

You'd be a good king.

No, I'd be terrible.

Go over Australia and be king of Australia.

We've got enough problems.

You could fix it.

I've talked about getting our own king many.

I did a show about it.

I really, I think an Aboriginal king would be--

Well, everybody can treat it.

Yeah, for sure.

That'll work.

Everybody wants the perfect system.

And it's not going to ever exist.

And I don't think it ever will, because I think

there's always going to be no matter what happens,

no matter who's in charge, no matter who's doing this,

there's always going to be people that oppose.

No matter what, naturally opposed,

even if illogically, it's never going to be perfect.

But you've got to make it the most fair.

It's got to be fair.

And as soon as you catch someone rigging the system,

that has to be alarm bells that go off

for everybody on every side.

If you find out that there was mail-in ballots

that were illegal and they were fake and they were brought in

so that the Republicans can win some sort of a primer,

if you found out that was true and you were a Republican,

you're supposed to be upset.

Like this is, someone is cheating

this incredible system that we have,

and you're not going to have the will of the people.

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Here's the question.

There's a bunch of people that were feds at the scene.

They finally had to admit that.

We were talking about that. - We were calling for the capital.

- Yeah.

- That means, have you seen that the guy?

It's crazy. - It's crazy.

There's a bunch of people that called people

to go into the capital to break in.

And a bunch of them probably were feds.

But how many feds were on these chat groups?

How many feds were on message boards?

How many feds were instigating people to do things

and talking about things that aren't true

or saying things that they're playing?

How many feds were trying to get the cookies

to the cookie riled up?

- Yeah.

But then also like, why is the blame not on,

why did the Democrats not go?

We've contributed to making a system that,

even if this is a totally legitimate group of people

who really believe what they're doing

by storing the capital.

We've contributed to building a system

that looks really fake to a lot of people.

Where we could take really easy steps to make it look less fake.

Like you could have, I don't understand why voter ID

isn't everywhere and they go, well, not everyone has an ID.

- Well, it's racist. - Give 'em one.

- It's racist.

- What you're saying is racist.

- How hard could it be to go?

- Check your white privilege.

You are a street white male.

Why don't you just shut the fuck up and set us around?

- All the other races can have a photograph

taken of themselves just as easily

on a little emanated cut.

- All those other races, just a few years ago,

needed proof of vaccination.

So this is cookie.

- It's completely crazy.

- It would be, I, but then it's a little legal.

- It's a legal to actually bring it in.

- It's illegal to show your ID in California.

- Where? - California.

- You cannot show your ID when you vote.

- If you want to.

- You can't show your ID.

- You can't wear it on a land hit.

- Don't run your neck.

- They'll fire you.

They'll kick you out of there.

(laughs)

You can't vote now, sir.

I don't know what they would do if you came in with a lander.

That might be the move.

But the point is they made it easier to cheat on purpose.

Like, that's the only reason why you would do that.

And to say like it's racist to require ID,

how do I know who you are?

I don't know you.

There's a million people in this fucking town.

And this is like, one polling station

is lying around the block.

I don't know you.

I need your ID.

This is crazy. - There was a clip

from the Obama election that I remember

watching where they were talking to a guy.

It was like, they asked him,

have you ever voted before?

Is it not?

Did you vote?

He goes, yeah, it felt so good.

I went back and did it again.

(laughs)

And then they cut off to somebody else.

But I've always remembered that that felt.

- Yeah, if you don't have ID,

you could just change your clothes and go back in,

especially if you're in non-distributed, you know.

- I don't have an anti-Gavin use some bent,

but I don't understand why he's the guy

that dams are pushing.

- Because he's from a state that everybody agrees

is in a huge disrepair.

- He doesn't agree that.

- He thinks it's killing it.

- They can't build a train.

- No, no, it's great.

- They've wasted billions of dollars

trying to get a reasonably short distance

covered with a train.

- Listen.

- And he can't do it.

- They're gonna get it worked out.

He's gonna be president and then he's gonna fix it all.

The problem is Trump.

The reason why Trump is the real

bruise in why California's failed is Trump.

Once he gets into office, Trump will be out

and he'll fix the whole country.

And see, guys, you had to trust me on the long plan.

(laughs)

People will buy into it.

The reason why is 'cause there's no one else.

This is the reason.

- There must be so many health medics.

So many people that are rational out.

So many people that aren't corrupt, they force them out.

And then other people don't want their laundry dug up.

They don't want fake stories, don't about them.

They don't want ex-girlfriends to get paid off

to come up with crackpot theories of them

being a satanic person or whatever.

Drug addict abusive.

- All right, you did this.

- Only people who left the dead bear in the park.

- You should get like Bill Cosby as the candidate.

Well, people have Bill Cosby level statue.

This is my new idea.

- Okay.

- I'm here.

- Just someone who is so,

there's nothing blackmailed them with.

People already think this is one of the worst

people-- - I can't imagine the president.

- Right, you can't, everyone knows he had a dungeon.

We're the lady in there.

Okay, you can't blackmail Arkelli at this point.

So whatever Arkelli says he wants to do,

he probably wants to do that.

His reputation can't get any lower.

If you only put forward people who have done terrible things.

If Epstein was still alive, you could have him.

'Cause what are you gonna blackmail him with?

He was getting, he was doing all sorts of terrible things.

- Well, you would like to have a very good person

who just hasn't done terrible things,

'cause it's just a very good person.

- Yeah, you can just lie about them.

The only security against being blackmailed,

even about a lot.

- It's to be a total piece of shit.

- It's to be the worst man in the country.

- Right.

No one likes my idea.

- It's a good idea for now.

- I think what we're gonna really be able to know

within the next few years

is whether or not you're telling the truth.

I think with wearable electronics,

I think ultimately they're trying to do something

that allows you to communicate head to head.

Have you seen that stuff where they do it?

- I'm not getting that.

- I don't want to.

- Well, what they have right now is wearable.

These guys put it on, they think something,

and then the other person hears it.

- This is one of the worst things I've ever heard.

- Oh, you have to see it.

- You have to see it.

It's crazy when you watch them actually do it.

So right now, it's attached to an actual computer

behind them, but that's for now.

- Eventually, it's going to be wearable.

Just like everything, it gets smaller.

I mean, this is bigger than...

- You're so much more relaxed with the AI stuff

and the technology that I am.

- You can't.

- I'm fighting.

- If you see the asteroid coming,

you have to realize you're gonna die.

Like there's nothing you can do about it.

- The Amish have continued very happily.

- I don't think it's going to be as disastrous as everybody thinks.

I just don't believe that.

I think we'll figure it out.

But I think it's gonna be a massive upheaval

of our totally, completely our economic system,

our life system, the way we interact.

But we have to realize, this is what's really important.

The way we interact is really new.

The way we live in cities stacked in high rises

and driving around in cars.

This is a tiny little blip in time

that the human race has existed like this.

Before that, we had a totally different thing.

And for the longest time, people traded things back and forth

and they used gold coins and silver coins.

And there was no stock market.

Like this whole thing that we're doing right now

with automation and you're worried about it's taking jobs,

those jobs weren't even a thing in the past.

Yeah, we built this giant population

based on the fact that jobs would exist

or it gave people the confidence to procreate,

get married, enough kids, and this will find another way.

We'll have to.

People will have to, it's not going to be pretty.

But it's just like everything else that happens,

it's this massive change in society and culture.

We're going to have to adapt.

I mean, I'm in flight mode on it.

I want to be on an acreage.

You know, you get nervous when I play AI music

in the real room.

I do, when I go, this is good.

And you go, "Tai-ai!"

And I go, "Gah!"

Yeah, you love that country.

The country one I played the other day, that was good, right?

50 cent stuff is fantastic.

My favorite remains the Japanese cover of Oasis.

Have you heard Japanese Oasis?

No, I have not.

If you type in Japanese Wonderwall, it is...

Oh, I like it a lot.

Can we play it?

Can we play it, Jamie?

I've listened to it.

Or would it be an issue?

We've got to cut it out.

We have to cut it out.

I don't think anyone owns the rights to Japanese.

They might.

Somebody probably does.

If you wrote the song, "Wonderwall" do.

Really?

That's how that works.

The performance of this would be a different situation,

but...

I can do it now.

I can do it.

Bell is here.

You're getting a lot of trouble.

Is there...

Wonderwall Oasis cover, Japanese Enka, is the title on YouTube.

This is the right one?

I'm hoping so.

Yeah, new wave films is the page.

Oh, you have a problem.

I love this.

Stop this.

Stop this.

You're a sick man.

Buck, baby.

Why do you like that?

Why do you like that?

Because it's the...

The funniest voice of all time.

But it's weird.

It's like a real person.

It looks like an old video.

They've cut up an old video and put it over the AI.

Oh, that's what they did.

If you look very closely, you can find the original music.

And she's singing something.

Oh.

I thought it was like AI-generated video, because you could do that, you know.

I just...

I want to retreat from it.

I want to be on a farm.

I want to have chicken.

I know.

But this is also not like a serious way to build a society.

I'm shocked that no one's blowing up the servers.

Like when they invented the loom, people in Britain were like, "We will destroy all of

the looms."

No one is like upset now that robots can think.

Well, they don't know what to do, right?

Yeah.

And it feels inevitable because it is.

No one's going to stop it.

And if they did stop it, no one would listen.

And if we did listen, the problem is China's not going to listen.

And it's a Manhattan Project kind of race.

Yes.

But then you...

Okay.

We've got to get the nuclear bomb first.

But how does that pan out in the end?

Well, here's the nuclear bomb.

But here's the thing.

You have to have one.

Like if AI exists and they can take over your financial system, they could...

You're going to have to have AI, the combats AI, and your AI better be better than their

AI.

I like that.

And you have to have everything protected against AI.

I want to lose in a fabulous way that inspires people like amada.

That's what you want to do.

That's what...

That's what he's doing.

That's what he's doing in Australia.

No.

I mean, that should be your speech.

Yeah.

We're going to lose.

We're going to lose.

And people are going to be shocked.

They're going to respect how we lose.

This is the Christian message of getting defeated.

And that's the ultimate victory.

I think it's common, dude, whether you like it or not, and it's better if we have it

than if we don't.

If you're Papua New Guinea and the AI overlords come storming into your town, you have

no say.

It's over.

I don't know.

We've tried to have a say of a Papua New Guinea a couple of times.

They're very hard to manage.

Well, that's a very hostile place.

They're doing their own thing.

That is a very, like, forbidding jungle.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No one wants to talk about it in Australia.

Every time I try and talk about Papua New Guinea, at first, I didn't know about, like racists

would come at me at a party with facts that were like, "There's cannibalism in Papua New

Guinea."

Sometimes?

Shut up.

Yeah.

And then you look it up and you go, "Oh, God."

Oh, yeah.

There's a lot of cannibalism.

They probably ate a Rockefeller.

The Kennedys used to go there as well.

Do you know that one Rockefeller had heard about?

Yeah.

I think the Rockefeller who went.

Disappeared, though, right?

I think what happened was the first time he went, he insulted them because he wanted

something from them.

He offered, like, to give them some money or something for something that they had.

And they were like, "No."

And apparently, the article that I'd read was assuming that that was some sort of an

insult that he didn't understand.

And then when he came back, he got in a boat with them and they stabbed him immediately.

And then they brought him back to the shore and they murdered him.

This is from an account of another guy who, I think, was there.

It's a very mysterious case.

This guy could be full of shit because it's a very mysterious case.

The guy went there before or then he went back and disappeared.

But...

I mean, there are a lot of people who went back.

I know there was a Kennedy woman who went there and was, like, on a mission with people.

And she loved them so much.

She had a piano helicopter in, she had, like, a grand piano.

She was, like, not a ver...

She was a rich lady who didn't understand how things worked.

And then if you put a piano in the highlands of Papua New Guinea, you couldn't, like, maintain

that piano.

Duh.

But now that they're, like, just this village has a beautiful, old grand piano that definitely

doesn't work now.

But she was like, "I want to give you something."

How long did she live, therefore?

Ah, years.

There was a woman I used to go to church with who said she was there with her.

So don't insult them and they won't eat you?

Same simple.

Yeah, but how do you not insult people?

Over there, you don't.

I am.

They probably don't take you from John.

I know people who've done that.

I thought about living there for a while.

I thought that that would be, like...

For real?

I was looking it up.

I was seeing it...

Because it was cheaper.

So I thought when I was very poor.

Because it was near Australia.

I thought, like, yeah, this is rough.

Oh, in the air.

But I thought it was like living port Mozby and then just flying and out and doing gigs

in Australia.

What year is this?

1964?

So in 1964, they were having a bow and arrow fight.

I think this is going on to this day.

This is actually a tribal war.

Whoa.

They're trying to get them a football team.

See, man.

This is what people do.

They get people in the groups, they do that even in Papua New Guinea.

This is like a test of it.

Look at that guy's penis.

That's beautiful.

He's got like a big stick.

But this is also...

They haven't a great time.

What's going on with his dick?

I don't know.

What is that?

Who are we to judge?

Is that like a cone?

A cone over his dick?

Yeah.

Yeah.

They got cones over their dicks.

I've seen people on sixth-street dresses like this.

Those guys are ripped.

That's the kind of body you get if you just run around and shoot arrows all day.

Not a fat one amongst them.

Not one lazy motherfucker amongst them.

Every one of those dudes has to get after it every day.

A lot of dogs.

Kind of wild but they don't even wear clothes when they do this.

And they just close up, shoot, and arrows at each other.

This is...

What the cameraman is just getting them back?

And they have to turn around and run away.

That's a bit pissed.

It's so crazy.

These arrows fly.

Have I told you about my favorite ever...

I didn't know if I said it last time I was on.

My favorite ever Papua New Guinea video is at the rugby where the guys stormed the pitch.

Have I told you about this?

I don't know.

I want to watch a little bit more than tell me about that.

Because I'm fascinated by how shitty their strategy is.

I'm like, how did these guys make it this long fighting bow and arrow fights like this?

But this is like...

When you read the Iliato something, this is kind of how people are fighting.

There's like two big masses and then one guy steps down to get out.

I understand, but this is like really shitty weaponry.

Yeah.

Like, how have they not figured out better weapons?

You know?

Like, these are terrible bows and they don't have any feathers on their arrows.

Like, those things fly like shit.

Like, think of the Mongols and, you know...

Yeah.

The 1200s, they figured out the recurve, though.

What's it like?

The married just went out and got guns.

Like, they tried it for guns.

The Indians tried it for guns.

They didn't...

Well, I guess know what it was bringing guns to Papua New Guinea.

But maybe they had 64.

They were deciding.

Well, they must have.

Because they were involved in World War II.

They helped out.

These guys hate each other.

They were guaranteed if you gave them ARs with red dots.

They would just go run it through that field, mowing those motherfuckers down.

But they just haven't a good time.

Perhaps.

Oh, that guy got hit.

His penis kind of fell off.

No, he got hit.

Yeah.

See?

He had blood on his ribs.

What's that, Jamie?

What's that?

They're trying to help him in some way.

I don't know if he had like splinter stuck in his head.

It looked like he had blood on the left side of his body.

Yeah.

It was a whole little series there.

It was like close up.

It's not like surgery or something.

Right.

Oh, what are they doing?

He might have got stuck a few times, man.

Also, I'm not showing this on the screen because it's...

Right, right, right.

Topper root.

It's all sorts of stuff.

All sorts of shit.

A lot of dogs too.

Yeah.

It's like, you know, the thing about places like that is that place says it's the environment

is so hostile.

You know, it's so hostile to like to survive there for generation after generation after

generation.

You live a subsistence lifestyle.

You live off the land and everybody has to hunt and gather.

And if people come into your side, from the other side, these motherfuckers are trying

to steal your food.

They're going to...

You have to go to tribal war.

That's how they've been rocking it, probably, for thousands of years between that and

AI though.

There's a middle path between tribal war...

No, you can't.

Listen, you can't stop AI, buddy.

You can't stop AI.

I'm hopeful.

No.

How many movies do we have to have warning us that it was terrible?

All of them.

None of them works.

I don't think it does matter.

There's one movie saying it was a good idea.

It's inevitable.

It's inevitable.

It's inevitable.

You've got...

You just have to accept it.

You've to accept it and...

I can't do it.

...live your life.

We don't know what the change is going to be.

And I don't really believe that we're going to let it be entirely bad.

And I think it's probably better to have something like that than to not, when you're dealing

with things like...

The power grabs that are going on all over the world where they're trying to lock people

up for speech violations in the UK, it's 12,000 people this year, and they're making

people get digital ID, and they're doing all these different things like...

At a certain point in time, you're going to benefit from a super intelligence that can

rationally explain why this is no way to sustain a civilization.

I just...

I would like us to have some say over how we implement that.

I would like to...

Because we know...

Like, tell God what's telling me.

We've got that.

Beautiful church.

I know, but what we have to do is...

It's what you're asking, though.

Like, with cars.

You can use cars in a way that make a society great.

Like, if you have a...

But then you can also have cars that ruin a whole neighborhood, and a whole city, and

you can't walk anywhere.

And it's a big problem.

You mean, leaking oil?

What do you mean?

I mean, just having a freeway that cuts through for no reason, or not being able to walk

around the downtown.

Oh, right, right, right.

You can use it in a specific... the new "Pollity" magazine is what I've been reading

on this, where they're like Catholic guys in Steubenville who are like, "How can we, to

what extent, you know, can we choose to use technology in a way that's helpful to us,

and how much are we just like absolutely governed by what the technology becomes, and then

we have to be subservient to it.

Like, do we get to choose how we use technology around us, or are we just...

Why do you assume, though, that we're going to be subservient to it?

That's where it gets weird.

I think we're subservient to the cart, like no one wants to live in a...

When you see what cars do to certain cities in America, and you go like, like, it's so...

When you're in New Orleans, and you're walking around, and there's problems with New Orleans,

but like, you're walking around the French Quarter, which is like a design before cars.

It's so...

You can have music, you can like run around on the street, and it's like a beautiful

nice place to be compared to, like, a strip mall, when you build it the way people have

to live around what the cars are.

Do you know what I mean? Like, you can have...

Like the way that they build a freeway, and a weird block of houses next to it, and no

one can walk anywhere.

Like, you just can't get out on your legs anywhere.

Or, like, that seems like you're building it based on the car.

You're leaving the car, but you make the car have the maximum ease for how it can operate.

And you try and live in the shadow of that, rather than going, what's a nice way to live

as a person, and how do we use the car to increase our quality of life?

Right, right.

Like, can we use AI to make our lives better, or do we have to, you know, we can do digital

ideas.

Should we?

No.

Let me ask you.

What do you think is like worst-case scenario for AI?

Like, what are you really genuinely scared of?

Ah.

Man, it'd be a bunch of things.

I don't want to just start with the porno, but certainly the porno speaks me out, the

AI porno.

It's already here.

I think the writing and the ability to write and think and process information.

And that's definitely like carved away.

Like, if you look at kids in schools who are using AI instead of writing an essay, people

can't write five sentences together, because they're not developing the skill.

And you don't, you know, if people are getting a degree in something, already people were

outsourcing that to people to help them, you know, write an essay or something.

If you get like a bachelor of arts is increasingly worthless, if AI can do it for you.

And then you can, you can say, I know about history.

Right.

So like, I think the functionality of education, I'm terrified of that, falling apart and people

not knowing how to read people, which is already disintegrated, sure.

But I think this rapidly speeds that up.

I mean, I'm afraid of, as like an artist, if I want to go and like make a movie or something,

maybe I'm just like old fashioned and attached to the idea of having a camera and having people

act, but it's like I can increasingly see less and less reason that you'd have to do that.

And someone wouldn't just write it out and go, this happens in this scene, change that

guy's eye.

You know what I mean?

Like, there's something.

And more than anything, I get spooked out with the video.

And what scares me about the music is I hear the music, I hear the audio AI.

When you put on the songs and I go, this is actually very good.

This doesn't have an other world of equality to it.

This is actually just a good song.

It sounds like.

And when I see the video, I feel like I get the hibi jibis on the AI video.

Do you get that at all?

Yeah, a little bit.

And I go, this is, who is showing me this?

What is the intelligence behind this?

Well, it's a lie, right?

That's part of it.

But it's like a pretty damn good lie that you know it's going to get way better at lying.

Like, that's pretty good right now.

Like it's like when a four-year-old lies to you.

Yes.

Wow.

You're a 20.

What?

You're going to be a con man.

You know what I mean?

Like, you know it's got a real potential to be something that is, like I already see disaster

videos every day that aren't real, like every day I saw.

Someone sent me, like, like, one of those cruise boats going into a giant fucking bridge

and all the cars collapsing on top of it.

One of those massive cruise ships, it's totally fake.

And I can kind of pick it out right away.

I was like, I didn't hear about this.

This isn't real.

I think not fake.

And I'm watching it.

I'm like, yeah, it's fake.

Yeah, but it takes a minute.

But it takes a minute.

And it's not a half ago.

It didn't get the hands right.

Right.

And it's going to be, within a year, you're not going to be able to tell it all.

You're going to have no idea.

You have no idea.

There's so many animal attacks now that are fake.

There's so much that's fake.

But it's the price that you pay for the advancement and the capabilities of doing things.

I think there's still going to be a value that people want to go see a movie that someone

made.

Just like there's people out there that still live, you don't want to see live shows.

Like live shows are never changed.

There's a connection that human beings have at live shows, like Kill Tony we did last

night.

Yes.

How fun.

So fun.

The most fun.

I was one of the best ones that there's been.

It was really fun.

But that's a real moment that we all shared together.

Yes.

You can't recreate that with AI.

But there's a lot of things you can, and that's just a fact.

That's just how it is.

I don't think we can.

You can't change it.

I want, I just want more of that.

I want to live in a spontaneous society.

You can.

Well, hopefully more people will also choose to do something that's in their wheelhouse

to do along those lines.

As long as you still have a thing that you're trying to work towards, you're going to be

okay.

Like if, let's say if the real weird one is universal basic income, because this is

Elon is famously said, and I don't know what this even fucking means.

Not only will people have universal basic income, it'll be actually universal high income.

There'll be enough prosperity that everyone in the country will get a large, so you will

never have to work again.

But then the problem is you're completely dependent on the state if there is a state anymore.

Like what is the state when there's a digital God that you've created in the center of

the town, the zone nuclear power plant that's operating everything?

I have no logical rationale for why these things are terrible, but in my soul, it screams

out, let's not invent.

Yeah, because you love being a human.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah.

You love literature and you know, you're an interesting God.

You like a lot of cool music.

You love things that people make and create, and you create great comedy.

So it makes sense.

It makes sense that you feel the way you feel, and I share those feelings, but I'm also

a realist, and I'm one of those people that just goes, okay, buckle up.

Things are going to get weird because it's going to get weird.

It's going to get weird and people are going to get super angry.

There's going to be a lot of people there.

They worked really hard to get a job and that job is completely irrelevant now.

It's been taken a long time.

It's a job is irrelevant and then also like being able to, just like, there's a freedom

in being allowed to have a revolution.

And that's what this country was founded on, is that when things get bad and the people

cry out for a new form of government, they can go and get it.

And I think that chances of anyone in the world having a revolution shot through the floor

as soon as they invented robot dogs, they could chase you through the street.

And I haven't seen the footage of the robot dogs in a couple of years, but I bet they're

better than they used to be now.

Oh, yeah.

And it's like, okay, if we have the robot dogs, how is there going to be an effective

change of government?

Or is that, that's just it?

If you own the robot dogs, no one else is really going to be a threat to you as the ruling

class.

That's terrifying.

You just have a permanent ossification, like, you have a setting stone of what the ruling

class is going to be because they've got weapons that no one can challenge them with.

That's where it's case scenario, right?

And one of the things you have to think is why would AI let the working or the ruling

class decide what it does?

I mean, because I've got it.

Why would they listen?

No, no, no, no.

At a certain point in time, it's going to be sentient.

At a certain point in time, it's going to have its own robots that do its tasks like different

things that have to be built and structured and different things that have to be designed

and engineered.

It'll have that.

It'll have robots that work on the material sciences and all these different things.

But it'll be a god.

It'll be a digital god.

It's not going to listen to a person that says, arrest people for saying, you know, Muslims

shouldn't invade this country.

It's not going to be that.

It's not going to, it's not going to listen to you.

That's the real fear is that we're no longer going to be the apex predator of the planet.

It's not even going to be a predator, but it's just going to be so-

It could be predator.

Why would it be?

If it helped it.

Yeah, but why would it?

What would it, if it has any desires at all, if it becomes sentient, the real questions

would it do anything?

It might just exist.

If it really becomes brilliant and it really becomes all-knowing, it might just exist.

This might just say, figure it out on your own.

More than anything, I think I have a religious impulse against this, where this is creating

an idol.

Right, like this is, Moses comes down and goes, don't build the golden calf.

That's not your God.

We're building a very sophisticated golden calf.

Yeah.

Well, I always wonder how much of the stories from the Bible, like, especially the Old Testament,

like how old are those stories?

How long, what was the original thing that they were trying to document?

You're going to need not going to be what?

Oh God.

Rep Luna, same woman.

She got me into that, too.

She said, if you never read it, I said, no.

I've seen some passages online that were kind of kooky.

I got the audiobook, and what I really want to trip out, and I'm driving to the comedy

club.

I listened to Book of Enoch in the car.

It's completely benedict.

It's bonkers.

And it could have been included in the Bible.

That's what's not.

In some Bibles it's in it.

The Ethiopians gave it in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They should have kept it in our Bible, too.

We would have a completely different version of the creation of man.

I mean, we do, what is it?

You have the wheel within a wheel.

Ezekiel.

Ezekiel.

Yeah.

I sat down.

I tried to read Ezekiel a couple of months ago.

I couldn't do it.

I couldn't wait through it.

And that made it in.

The good luck explaining any of that.

It's either Ezekiel had a UFO encounter or Ezekiel was tripping balls.

Yes.

Either one of those things, or both of those things together could be true.

I remember, I was listening to your podcast and I forget who you were talking to.

You were talking about hallucinogens and the judge.

I'm like people having miracle experiencing visions because they were on something.

And I remember thinking like, I think they could be the case, but also how low a stimulus

these people had in their everyday life.

Like if you're in a field every day, seeing nothing but a field for like, you know, you're

not eating very much.

And then once a week you go into this dark building and there's candle white and music

and incense and flashing things, that would probably unlock something strange.

If you had such an understimulated...

So a complete belief in what these people are saying.

Yeah.

There was no atheist back then.

There was no people that were like, ah, get out of here with all this God shit.

Everybody believed.

I think to a greater extent.

I think there's to it.

That's probably shoot a few atheists.

Yeah.

But it's probably way less.

Yeah.

Way less.

Like people are proud to be atheists today.

There's a strange pride.

There's less of them.

Ten years ago.

There's less.

They were writing high.

Did you ever see it?

They went every debate.

They were so proud.

Well, it was like Sam Harris.

He was really good at that.

And Christopher Hitchens was really mad too.

He was mad too.

Yeah.

Both those guys were really good at shutting down religious ideas.

But I think there's actually a religious style of thinking involved in atheism.

And I know a lot of people who used to be atheists that had psychedelic experiences that

gave up on any of that and said, okay, I don't know.

I think there's something else.

And I don't know what it is.

And I'm not going to say that there's no God.

Well, even Christopher Hitchens, I don't want to misrepresent him and people get angry

at me.

But he was not, I think his real views were closer to being agnostic than being an atheist.

Well, I think he used atheists as a lot.

But when you read him, he goes, oh, the universe is so incredible.

And there's so much out there.

And I don't know.

And I don't think these particular things are true.

But he didn't discount the possibility that there was a sublime.

Of course.

No.

He was a very rational guy.

Yeah.

You know, he just really hated religious zealotry.

And he really hated justifications for wars.

I mean, he was one of the harshest critics of Bill Clinton ever.

Like that guy was--

He did get behind a rock, though.

He did.

And he stuck with it for a long time.

He did.

Unfortunately.

That's just how--

You know, it's like, there was a lot of people that got caught up in that.

You know, they really did believe that that was a good idea.

You know, especially post September 11th, there was a lot of people that really believed

that this had to be done in order to protect us.

Man, it's like with everything, you find out more behind the scene stuff and what was

really going on with Kuwait and why did Iraq invade Kuwait in the first place.

Why did we go back to Iraq after we've been gone for so long?

It's like, oh, there's so much shenanigans.

Like always, always shenanigans.

No one is great.

Everyone-- you know, when Russell Crowe was here, your country meant the great and powerful

restaurant.

I never got to meet him, but I want to ask him so many questions.

That's time he's in town.

I'll-- yeah.