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- Well, what's happening, man?

- We're so close to meet you.

- Hey, it's great to meet you as well, Joe.

I really, really appreciate you taking me out here.

- Oh, my pleasure.

I've enjoyed your content for quite a while now, so.

- Well, I'll be interested to know when was it

that you first started getting interested

in what I was doing?

What kind of subject, what topic?

- I wish I remembered.

- 'Cause I know you followed me for a couple of years,

before the Caffer Pyramid scans and stuff,

like you know I'm into the UFO subject and things like that,

but I wasn't sure.

- Well, it's all the silly shit that I love.

(laughing)

- Silly and serious at the same time.

Ancient civilizations, mysteries, and obviously aliens.

- Oh yeah, and it's all cotangent.

It all connects together.

- I think so too.

We actually played a clip.

We did a podcast yesterday with Dr. Michael Masters.

- Love him, yeah, talking a couple times.

- Very fun, very smart guy, very interesting guy.

But we played, we were talking about the,

he has a theory that aliens are human beings in the future.

- Yeah.

- It's a very strange theory,

based on like kind of the anthropological view

and the physiology and how that might have happened over time.

- And there's also, what was the model?

There's the many worlds theory,

and then what was his model?

There's a different one that the concept is you could,

if you lived in the future, you could go back in time

and it would not affect the future,

'cause everything that's supposed to happen

has already happened.

- Right.

- And you were supposed to go back anyway.

- Interesting.

- Okay.

(laughing)

- I try to get my head, but anyway, during that time,

I asked him about the tried-acto mummies

and then we played your clip.

- Oh, okay.

- Yeah, we played the clip to show it all the scans.

We talked about Jesse Michaels and how he went down to Peru

and actually touched those things

and was there with them and how surreal it was.

- Yeah, I was in Peru recently, not to go

and see the Nazca mummies.

I wish I could have seen them.

I was out there to look at all the megalithic studies

and the excavations going on at Saxo Man,

which is an incredible megalithic site in Cusco.

But the Nazca mummies, I mean, what's interesting about it

is that obviously you're gonna have a big knee-jerk reaction

to something that's so incredibly profound

as the idea of these being non-human intelligences

that are mummified.

But when you actually look at the CT scans and the X-rays,

you start to realize that this can't be faked.

You can't fake bone cartilage.

You can't fake capillaries and heart valves

and a fetus inside the body.

- It's so nice.

- Dude, it's crazy.

Some of them have eggs inside them.

Some of them have fetuses.

- It looks like they're eggs are big.

- Big eggs like inside them.

- Yeah, and these are small beings.

- These ones are meant to be the little 60 centimeter beings

with three eggs inside them.

Then you've got the big one, Montserrat,

which has an actual fetus, a baby not in an egg.

So it's like, if these are all real,

it does feel like there was some genetic experimentation

and there was churning out prototypes for some form.

- Do you think that's it?

Or do you think that there used to be another type

of lack of a better word, primate?

- Well, the thing is, is that a primate?

I mean, what is that?

- I mean, some of them they're leaning more towards

like reptilian, anthropod kind of lineage.

So like the bigger ones seem to be more mammalian,

whereas the smaller ones with the eggs

are sharing reptilian traits.

So it's like there are all these different variations

with these different bodies,

different kind of like physiological characteristics,

which is why it's like, okay, well, is this one lineage

or is this just somewhat kind of like tweaking?

Well, that one failed, that one's not working.

This one grew wings, or I fucked that one off.

Like, you know, it's just weird.

- So your thought is that these are the products

of experiments.

- I mean, if you look at Jesse,

when Jesse Michaels did his documentary,

one thing he mentioned, I can't remember where he got this from,

but he was saying that the original translation

of the area of Nazca from the original language

was like the area of experiments and genetic cloning,

or it was like a really strange definition

for the actual area that kind of says experimentation

and genetic modification.

I can't remember the exact quote,

but this was something that he brought up in the documentary.

I was like, okay.

Then you have all of these various different examples.

- I asked you, yeah.

- Who said that?

Who called it that?

- So Jesse, when Jesse Michaels put out his documentary,

there was just a scene in it.

Now, my memory is failing me a little bit,

but there's a scene in it where he was talking about

the Nazca region.

And he said that the original in the original language,

this translates roughly to the area of experimentation

and genetics of some form.

- But how do they know what they're doing?

- I agree, I agree.

But it's just a weird little caveat

that he brought up in the documentary.

I'm not quite, he'd probably be rolling his eyes

me now, like, dude, I actually fucking know exactly

what this is like.

- Make you look like an idiot.

- He's a butcher in it.

- Yeah, I'm a butcher in it, but no.

- I'll do that all the time.

- Sure, but just the fact that these things exist

and they exist in an area of the world,

which is full of mystery.

I mean, the megalithic sites around me.

Like I said, that's what I was out there

for to see these different megalithic sites

and the Nazca lines and, you know,

Saksawaman and in the Sacred Valley,

you just have like, incredibly complex architecture.

You know, Rose called Granite, Diorite and a site,

these incredibly hard stones like in Egypt,

but honestly, I find Peru even more baffling

than Egypt with the architecture

because of just the level of interlocking precision

that you see and the fact that it looks

like they've softened the stone in Saksawaman.

It looks like marshmallows, like all squished together.

And it just invokes a lot of different theories

from people about how they were actually

manipulating the stone.

- Yeah, because it doesn't seem like it was just carved.

- No. - Right?

Like, it does seem like there's some areas

where chunks have been removed from, you know,

the quarries, but when they're all pieced together,

when you see those weird, like, curvatures to it,

it's like, what do you guys do?

And perfect precision.

- Perfect precision.

And like, sometimes you'll see like these corners

where just a tiny bit of stone is jutting up

and then the other two are connecting into it.

It's like, this is such a ridiculous level of complexity

for an apparent 600 year ago Bronze Age, Bronze Chisels

and Stone Hammer Tool wielding civilization.

And also in Peru is what I find very interesting

is you've got a brilliant visual contrast to use

when you look at what is the Inca work,

which is the rough cut stone, the mortar brick using walls,

like this is all present in Peru next to the megalithic sites.

And the mainstream will attribute all of this

to the Inca of 600 years ago,

but you'll see that the stone walls at a rough cart

and use cement and mortar, they're still standing,

they're pretty pristine, they're looking good.

Next to megalithic multi-toned slabs of granite

that are broken to pieces and strewn across the hillside.

So it just looks like there was a lot of desolation,

potentially geological trauma in this area

and then these people, the Inca, discovered these sites,

built around them.

You can see in the cracks and corners of all these megaliths

that there's stone walls that they've tried to reinforce,

it's very visually obvious actually

when you go out to these places.

- Isn't it fascinating that people aren't willing

to consider the possibility that this is from an older time,

like it's heresy?

- It's just such a knee-jerk reaction, man.

Like I think at the end of the day,

we're still using models from like 1800s explorers, right?

And it's like what the fuck, like we've moved forward.

There's a lot of contradicting evidence and data

in a lot of these countries,

whether it be, you know, Gobekli Tepe in Turkey

or the potential infrastructure below the Giza Plateau,

and then the incredible megaliths in Peru,

like Saxiwoman, it just feels like what we're doing

is rehashing the same status quo orthodoxy

and it's coming up against ever-piling higher mountain

of evidence.

And one of the cool things that I got to do out in Peru

was go to Saxiwoman where they've got current archaeological digs

going on through the Chinkana project,

which is an archaeological team out there

and they're doing digs.

And they have actually discovered below,

like 10 meters down into the ground,

precision carved blocks of stone

that are coming out of the earth.

And this is where in this region, in Cusco,

the Andean legends are that there is a vast labyrinth

below ground connecting Cusco to Saxiwoman,

connecting Saxiwoman to the Sacred Valley,

all spreading out across the Andean mountain range.

And this is like an old legend.

This is what the shaman's and the sacred keepers

of knowledge would say in Peru.

We're finding evidence for it.

We're literally going underground now and seeing

that there are actually really precise elements

of infrastructure below Saxiwoman.

And they're just beginning to uncover this.

It was one of the first to go down there

and actually see these blocks myself.

And it's just like, this is happening now.

You know, we're actually getting to a place

where we can start to validate some of these forgotten myths

and folklore or if you want to call them conspiracies

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That's mad.

So these tunnels and, like, what is exactly this structure

that's supposed to be down there and what have they discovered?

So it's supposed to be called the chinkana, the labyrinth.

And there's a few different chinkana entrances

around the region.

How big is it supposed to be?

Vast, multiple kilometers.

It's stretching from down--

sucks a woman down into Cusco and then

off into the Andean mountain range to the sacred valley.

It's very similar to some of the stuff that they found in Egypt.

Yes, yes, yes.

And then what's interesting is you have the same hallmarks

and signatures that you see in Egypt.

So you see the stone knobs, you know,

these little protrusions that you get.

I'm addicted to those, man, because they

are all over the world.

Do you have any theories?

I mean, I've listened to a lot of theories.

I certainly think that these--

we should show an image of it.

Yeah, stone, what we're talking about.

Stone knobs.

There's all of these incredible, massive stones

that have been somehow or another move from a quarry,

sometimes that were hundreds miles away.

They have these weird nubs on them.

And no one knows what they are.

And there's a bunch of theories like maybe they help the move.

Yeah, there we go.

You see them all over the place.

And no one quite knows what those are.

India, you see them in Egypt.

You see them in Peru.

This is in Oleh Intentambo in the Sacred Valley.

Missing-- this is one of the things

that's so infuriating about people that

are arrogant about gatekeeping information

and being the only ones that are

allowed to distribute the truth, their quotes.

We're missing so much.

There's no way you really know.

Huge gaps of knowledge.

We're missing so much.

And more time goes on as Graham Hancock always says,

shit just keeps getting older.

And now they just push back the use of fire

by 300,000 plus years.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Like it just keeps going.

It's not going forward.

No.

It's going backwards, or it went in--

And anatomically modern humans, I think,

have got much further back now in time.

They're looking at 800,000 years.

Plus, you know, plus, plus, possibly even a million.

This is what weirds me about these creatures.

Human beings have gotten to the point

multiple times where we're almost extinct.

The toe of volcano, I think, we got down to--

God, was it 7,000 people, like the low estimate?

Damn, really?

Yeah.

It's a crazy story.

Like super volcanoes are unbelievably devastating.

To just all life, you know, because it just

changes the temperature of the earth, the entire surface.

Whatever doesn't get blasted out of the ground

by the actual volcano itself, all the other stuff

on the other side of the world gets fucked.

It just ruins everything.

We got down to, like, a few thousand people.

And then there was another time where one of these guys

who-- God, I forgot who that was as well.

We were talking about the reality of glaciation.

And about what happens during ice ages,

and how devastating it can be.

And they were saying that we had gotten at least multiple times

the history of the earth to the point

where it was incapable of sustaining life.

That within a few, you know, like whatever parts

per million of carbon dioxide are necessary to support plant

life, we literally got to the part

where there was almost impossible to support life.

And then it rebounded, and everything's fine.

So there's so much we don't know.

Absolutely, man.

So crazy to try to pretend you know that people 600 years

ago make this.

Because we know people 600 years ago live there.

We have a lot of archeological evidence.

And we have--

but you have weird structures on top of obviously much more

intricate and complex structures.

Yeah. And again, they share the same signatures

as places like in Egypt and in the earth.

They think you're a cook.

Yeah, they do.

It's just a knee-jerk reaction.

It's, again, it's adherence to a status quo.

And you get channeled for a very kind of fine wall

in academia.

And I think that it can be a real detriment, actually,

to opening up your ideas and being a little bit more

expansive with what could be possible.

Because you do get put into a very restrictive format

in the traditional academic sense.

And then obviously you have the pressures of funding

and things like this.

And it's not going to get the funding

if you're talking about this crazy shit.

And it's just like a self-fulfilling censoring, you know.

But it's really the rise of alternative media.

We're changing the game a bit.

Because you can actually put a voice out there.

You can put an idea out there.

It's not completely stone walled by the academic circle.

They can't actually prevent people

from disgusting these ideas in an open media format like this.

Right.

And if you put a video like you did on X or on YouTube,

people can like the video that you did on the aliens,

or whatever they are.

Whatever they are.

People can see the CT scans.

Exactly.

You see the CT scans and you automatically go,

wait a minute, this is 1200 years old.

Yeah, you're telling me someone fake this 1200 years ago?

Like I don't think they can fake that now.

You don't get, I don't think they can.

Hollywood special effects guys.

But then the composition of the actual,

the bones and everything.

Like coquillating muscle tissue.

And how would you fake that?

Circling back.

I texted Jesse to ask him for some insight.

I don't know what you guys were.

Oh, nice.

Yeah, yeah.

So what he sent me was a screenshot of a book where he got it from.

Thanks for this, James.

I'm going to translate.

Translation here shows science of insemination.

Yeah, Jumana, I guess, was the local word.

That's the local word for what that area is called.

Right, right, right.

This is a book he found from that area, I think,

and that says, yeah, laboratory of insemination and cloning.

What?

What I'm saying, dearly.

And look at all these terms that you see, man.

You may, it will verb to inseminate,

you mage, the science of insemination,

you mappage, wise inseminator,

you ma, sion, or clone.

This is what I'm saying, bro.

You may, to clone,

jumaj, the science of cloning,

and jumppage, wise cloner.

So basically, what the hell, man?

You know, it's there.

It's, it's interesting.

And then obviously, go back to that, please again.

You get, alongside this kind of description,

you have these bodies, you have this.

Pro this is.

I'll touch it.

Yeah, like this would do.

This was like one little 10-second clip in his documentary,

and it just made me perk up, like, wait a minute, what?

The name of the place is like a laboratory

of insemination and cloning.

And you're getting a smorgasbord

of different beings coming out of this area, right?

Like, what?

Jesse does add, I think he's speculating

somewhat on the etymology, not definitive,

but, of course, right, right.

But yeah, I mean, it's there.

That's what Jesse's better at this than me.

I'm like, oh, it's done, it's done, it's done, it's done.

It's there.

Wow, that is interesting, not, it is interesting.

And I think it does, you know, leads into what was happening

on his planet a long time ago.

It doesn't, it leads, like, my point was,

when I was getting to the whole Supervolcano thing,

what if something happened that wiped that species out?

Right, right.

Like, clearly, there's no more Neanderthals, right?

We, they, whatever happened, whether it was us

or disease or whatever killed them off.

They don't exist anymore.

We only have evidence of people

that are bred with them.

What, what is that thing?

Is that thing maybe one of us, like another kind of human?

Look, look, another kind of primate.

You know, look how different we are than Reese's Monkeys, right?

Like, we're all primates, we're so fucking different.

Why would we assume that the ones that we found so far,

including, like, would they find Denisovans,

like, 15 years ago, something like that?

Right, right, right.

And then Homo, Julienz, what was that one?

It was just a few years ago, like, they, they keep finding

these new versions of people, not new, obviously.

No, but long extinct versions of people.

I think it's possible.

And I also think that there's a, you know, potential.

What if, what if a particular sub root species

of Homo and it decided to opt in for subterranean living?

And they escaped a lot of the surface world traumas,

and we're actually able to kind of maintain their society.

I mean, look at all of the weird evidence we have

for these vast underground cities

that are in cool, you would love to go there, my god.

Do you mean what you said he just released a video on it?

It's bananas.

Did you mention renovating your house?

And fucking finding that.

Renovating your house had found there's a room

for 20,000 people under your house.

Would you say anything?

I don't know.

I don't think about where I live.

Did you say anything?

That's all where I live.

You live in a place where the government

could just come and take your house.

Yeah, be worried about that.

I would say it if I was in America.

But if it was in America, what if I really liked my house?

And now my house is connected.

Well, it's hard to decide.

And put the fucking archaeologist want to come.

Like get out of my yard.

Exactly, exactly.

But like, yeah, I think about this.

And I think about all of these different.

Yeah, good, good.

No, I'm happy to hear that.

I'm happy to hear that.

I'm happy to hear that.

But it's interesting.

And then you have, you know, the strange stories

like from the Hopi tribe, about the hands people

that came during a time of cataclysm

and they brought them underground

and then they brought them back up.

And there's a few like that.

There was a really interesting podcast.

It was years ago, I remember seeing this,

where they'd brought these two Amazonian shaman's

on the podcast, like full headdress.

They spoke their own tribal language.

They needed an interpreter in the room.

And the guy asked them what they thought about aliens.

And they didn't understand the question

didn't know what he meant by alien.

He was like thomming through this book

and he put up a picture of a gray.

And the tribes him went, oh, that's muck and wobble.

That's muck and wobble.

And they had a whole story about how this was a human

that became an ant that lives underground.

And it can appear in the divine light,

but you should be very careful with this being

because it will take your soul underground

and you need a very good shaman to bring your soul back.

And they were taking it real seriously.

Like, yeah, yeah, dude.

(laughing)

So it's like these tribal cultures, they know man,

they fucking know.

Well, I think there's an ancient memory in people.

I think it's one of the reasons

why these post-apocalypse movies are so popular.

There's a lot of post-apocalypse movies

where people, they figure out how to make houses

out of wood again and they're surviving

and they make little encampments

and they fight off the intruders from the outside.

You know, real like walking dead type shit

with no zombies.

I think there's a memory in us of the surviving humans.

I think there's a memory.

And I think we probably have been through

some terrible moments in the Earth's history

where there was an enormous disaster

and we are the ancestors of survivors

and I don't think there was a lot of survivors.

- No.

In fact, I heard you talking about that the other day

where you were saying about like the,

and it's something I agree with,

the necessity for post-cateclism, post-apocalypse,

the strong men would inherit the Earth.

- Monsters would inherit Earth.

- Monsters would inherit the Earth, right?

And so if you, if we really were a hyper-advanced,

that Latin type civilization prior to this,

maybe even more matriarchal than patriarchal,

it would make sense that when things fall apart,

obviously, and now you need to survive in the wild,

the strong men and the, you know,

savage guys would inherit the Earth

because they would be the ones who would be able to,

you know, push through that type of environment.

And then if that is the case and you fast forward

to where we are now, look at our incredibly competitive,

hyper kind of aggressive culture that we have,

it would make sense that this was formed

through the seeds of trauma and through the seeds

of having to fight for survival

and, you know, recovering what was lost.

- Yes, which also makes sense why the past,

the further you go back, the more barbaric these people are.

You're dealing, and you're like,

well, it took a while for people to learn, maybe,

but maybe you're dealing with people

that had to, they probably had a cannibalized.

I mean, they probably had to eat everything they could.

There was only a few thousand of them left.

I mean, if we really got hit by asteroids,

like if the younger dries is correct,

it makes sense that it would take like 5,000 years

for civilization to merge again.

- It's a recovery for merchant, yeah, yeah.

- Because that seems to be what happened.

It seems to be like you have literally

the scraggliest survivors and then eventually the Earth

gets back to normal, but even then,

it takes thousands of years for people

to just have a semblance of what we're experiencing today

in terms of civilization.

- And that's why prehistory is so fascinating

and the neolithic in the Stone Age,

because, okay, so this is a time

when we were just basic hunter-gatherers,

we had no intelligence, no language,

no real understanding of the world,

according to the mainstream,

but this is where you have multi-ton,

geodetically aligned solar equinox

and, what's the lunar alignment?

- I've completely just blanked just 'cause I'm a little bit nervous

of being here, but, you know,

like equinox alignments and alignments

to the sun and the moon, mathematically geodetically aligned

to what look like tealuric currents,

like electromagnetic flows beneath the ground.

A lot of these stone hinges and dolmens

are placed on places where you have strong

electromagnetic concentrations.

And just the package of mathematics and engineering

and stone crafting and the knowledge

of the sun and the stars and your placement on the planet

to create things like, you know, stone hinge

and these other areas in the world.

How can you do that if you're just hunter-gatherers

coming out of, you know, animalistic behavior?

It doesn't make any sense.

And then we kind of regress as we go further into history

and, you know, the stone work becomes less impressive

that things become less accurate.

And I find that very interesting.

How is it at the beginnings of our history,

some of the most impressive structures exist?

Exactly, it doesn't make any sense.

It just Egypt alone with the conventional timeline

of 2,500 BC for the great pyramid doesn't make any sense.

No, it doesn't.

I think that they most likely settled

around those pyramids.

Most likely settled around them and, you know,

the scans, if these can be validated fully

and empirically with digs and confirmation physically,

then that changes everything.

It changes everything.

You're seeing a lot of people spaz out online.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Wonderful.

It's been wonderful to watch.

Because when people are under pressure,

the real character gets rid of it.

Right, right, right.

They're under a lot of pressure right now

because those scans that radio, tomography,

or whatever the fuck it is--

Synthetic aperture radar, yeah.

It's super accurate with stuff that we know exists.

Yes.

That's what's a real problem for these people.

You want to believe it exists when it can map out

all these chambers in the pyramid.

You want to believe it exists when it can map out things

that we know that exist 50 feet underground.

You want to map-- you're cool with that.

Yeah, yeah.

But one kilometer of subterranean--

Oh, no, no, no.

Also, multiple scans from multiple--

Like over 200.

Yes.

It's all the same message.

Yes.

They're getting the same message through pillars.

Enormous pillars.

They have coils around them.

What?

Pillars with coils.

All of them have coils.

Yeah, do you?

And the whole structure is like almost two kilometers deep

into the earth.

It's obscene.

It's obscene.

Like, laterally as well, like two kilometers of infrastructure.

It's like the whole underground is like--

Help me out. Exactly.

People with copper tools help me out.

And that was my frustration when it first came out.

Because when it came out--

obviously, I did some research into the people

involved in the CAFRA pyramid team.

I found Filippo Beyonde.

I found his harmonic SAW website where it has listed

the things like the Mosul Dam in Iraq

and the Gran Saso Laboratory in Italy.

Places that they'd actually done scans

prior to even the Great Pyramid, which was peer-reviewed.

A 2020 scan of the Great Pyramid was a peer-reviewed paper.

And then you fast forward to now where they've got these ones.

You have people like, you know, Flynn Dibble on Piers Morgan

going, it's bullshit, it's pseudo-science.

It's never been done before.

It's never been tested.

And it's like, it has been done.

It has been tested.

It's actually got a patent.

It's been peer-reviewed in a paper.

Military applications. Military applications.

And Filippo Beyonde, he works for the Italian government.

Like, he's not some idiot.

He's a very, very intelligent man.

And he can speak on the science of this, like, you know,

articulately.

So it works on top secret projects.

Yes.

I don't know if you caught, like, that little scene in Jesse's--

Yeah, he was just like--

He didn't even say a fucking word, man.

Like, could he not talk about that?

It just looks out.

I mean, it's like, OK, we'll just figure that out.

Like, that's when you know, man, that's when you know.

But I mean, whatever this is, everyone should be fascinated.

You shouldn't be dismissing this if that's not even

your field of expertise.

It just shows what kind of a fucking weirdo you are.

What you should be doing is going, OK, how many scans do you have?

You have 200 scans of this?

Show me more.

Show me more.

Tell me what's going on.

We should probably figure out what that is.

If a magic if the pyramids didn't exist,

or a magic if it's like, you know, the sphinx at one point

in time was mostly covered with sand, let's just

imagine some crazy scenario where the entire pyramid structure

is covered in sand.

And nobody knows it exists.

And then someone comes along and does a scan

of the surface of the ground.

It says, you're not going to fucking believe this.

But this is shit on it.

Now, whatever it is, that's ridiculous.

That's preposterous.

And they don't look.

Exactly.

And they don't look.

We never find the thing that we all agree exists.

Because you can go there.

You can visit.

Right.

It's there.

If that didn't exist, you'd never fucking believe in a million

years there's a structure with 2,000,000, 300,000 stones

that's perfectly aligned to true North-South East and West.

And you're dating it to somewhere around 4,000--

I mean, that sounds like some pseudo-science conspiracy

talk to Major.

Sounds like exactly right.

Right.

Why is it more kooky to say these people, not only

were this advanced, they were even more advanced.

Way more.

They were down into the ground, 2 kilometers.

It might have been a power station.

Well, you know, Filippo thinks that.

He seems to think that the spirals might have actually

been tied to hydrology and using mechanical stress

and the piezoelectric materials used

in the great pyramid and the plateau itself.

Because what you have is a very interesting coupling

between limestone and rose granite.

So limestone is a very good amplifier of acoustics.

And rose granite becomes electrical,

piezoelectric under mechanical stress.

And acoustics are a form of mechanical stress.

So there's certainly something to be said about the fact

that the pyramids are acoustically tuned.

They're incredible inside the acoustics.

And they've done lots of measurements and experiments

on validating that.

That it almost seems to go up in a perfect scale

up to the King's Chamber.

And then the King's Chamber itself, I believe,

is focused around 110 to 115 hertz,

which is interesting for neurological reasons

in terms of influencing the brain.

But on top of that, you have, again,

this incredible coupling between limestone

and rose quartz granite where, under the right conditions,

you absolutely could get energetic responses from that.

But as well as this, you have the hydrological knowledge,

which is really quite impressive.

And when you look at places like the Osirian in Abidos,

which is a kind of sunken down temple,

we call everything a temple or a sacred site.

But we really don't know, do we?

There could be functional sites.

It could be a power plant or some form like you said.

And the Osirian in Abidos, next to it,

you have the setty-the-first temple, which is incredible.

It's beautiful and full of calligraphy and hieroglyphics.

And then you have this bare, faceless, megalithic place

called the Osirian, which is sunken down into the ground,

perpetually filled with water.

So they've tried to pump it out.

And it just fills back up again

because it's connected down into the water table.

And there's all these different shafts

and hydrological components in this site

that they don't understand the full function of.

And then you look at places like the Great Pyramid,

where you go down to the bottom of the Great Pyramid,

you have the kind of core.

And this whole area looks like it's been water eroded

as if it was flooded out repeatedly

and uses some sort of a pump or some sort of sequencing area

where you push water in and then let it out,

push water in and let it out.

And so Philippa thinks that maybe these spirals

bringing water up, and if you're 1,000 meters down,

you're tapping into ancient aquifers.

So you could be drawing up a really impressive amount

of ancient water.

And I just wonder if, same with Peru,

there's something incredibly important

about accessing this kind of water

at the real depths of the earth.

And they seem to have a real interest in doing that.

So perhaps the pyramids are in some way,

I mean, if these spirals are real,

it's like a plug, isn't it?

It's like plugged into the earth,

connected down into these aquifers.

Perhaps it was utilizing water as an energetic medium

through the materials.

- I would recommend to anybody to check out Christopher Dunst.

- Oh, fantastic.

- I had him on the podcast and he explained to us his theory,

he's an engineer, and he started studying

the structure of the pyramid.

And his conclusion was the entire thing

was probably used to generate energy.

And it's like, what?

But when he breaks it down in terms of,

I'll butcher the math if I even try,

but in terms of the dimensions,

the way it's made.

And the fact that you could have something

that was down in the basement,

it was somehow another creating a resonance.

- Right, right, right.

- That would have this effect, the shafts,

that go up straight onto the space,

and the fact that there's evidence

that they would possibly use these shafts

to pour chemicals in, and it would create gases.

- Well, this is pretty nuts.

- It is nuts, but when I was not the last time

I was on YouTube, but the time before then,

I was out there with a guy called Jeffrey Drum.

He's got a YouTube channel called The Land of Chem.

And he's all about this in terms of the chemical mass

manufacturing that he believes was going on in the pyramids

and these other areas.

And we filmed all of the coverage of that.

If anyone wants to go and see it on my YouTube channel,

taking us through areas in the Geyser Plateau,

where you have an incredible concentration

on the Geyser Plateau of Iron Vains,

and they all seem to be emanating from the pyramids.

So if you go around the pyramids,

you'll see these Iron Vane networks

sort of flowing out from the central point,

and these Iron Vanes are heading down into what are called

these boat pits.

- When you say Iron Vane, like iron ore.

- Yeah, it's on the surface, it's deep in the ground.

- I mean, there's some on the surface,

so you can actually see the snaking kind of veins of iron

that's kind of rusted out and oxidized,

and you can make it out, but surely it must be deeper as well.

But it seems to be stretching out from the pyramids

down into these-- - Like emanating from the pyramids?

- So his theory is that they built the pyramids?

- Yeah, his theory is that they built the pyramids

on top of these Iron Vanes,

particularly because this place was getting lightning strikes

frequently, and they were using-- - Oh boy.

- Yeah, I know, I know.

- It's a giant lightning rod.

- Dude, I mean, these things are built in a way,

and they were gold capped at one point.

- Right, and gold is a really good conductor.

- Conductive electrical electronics.

- And the Geyser Plateau is covered in these

conductive Iron Vane networks,

which the pyramids do seem to be built upon.

Now, this is his personal theory,

but he's an American who's been living out in Cairo

now for about six or seven years, I believe,

and he just decided to up and move out there

and dedicate his life to exploring these places.

And so he took us across all of these amazing areas

and showed us things I'd never seen before in Egypt.

But his theory on the pyramids is similar to Christopher Dunn

in terms of some form of chemical manufacturing taking place.

And if you know the original name for Egypt was Kemet,

that's why this guy's got his YouTube channel,

The Land of Kemet is the beginning of chemistry and alchemy.

So this is one of the root words

where we then got chemistry and alchemy from.

So it is the land of chemistry and alchemy.

- That's, but... - Yeah.

- There you go.

Is this...

- Oh, this is one of his videos, great.

- This is the iron ore.

- So these are the, yeah, I believe he's probably highlighting

the Iron Vane's and these Iron Vane's head out

into what are called boat pits,

which they believed in the mainstream interpretation.

- You're freaking me out with the Land of Kem.

That is crazy.

But when did they name that?

- I don't know when it was named that,

but it was originally referenced as Kemet

in some of the ancient Greek and, you know,

there's reference to it being called Kemet, K-H-E-M-E-T.

- And it really means the same thing?

- It's what people believe is a continuation

of alchemy and chemistry because you get so much alchemy

from Egypt and obviously this is the place

where you get Hermes, Trismadistas and Hermeticism

and the philosophy of stone kind of leaks out

from these types of areas.

So I think that there is a lot to suggest.

There's plus we actually know in the mainstream

that they were incredible chemists,

like regardless of exotic forms of chemistry,

that we know they were using acids and neutron baths

and things like this, like Egyptians knew what they were doing

even from the perspective that we understand,

regardless of getting a little bit deeper into it.

- Right, and you're talking about Egyptians

like Cleopatra time.

- Right, so like we know that they were doing it.

- Historically.

- Exactly, yeah, that's why it's so strange.

Like if this structure is proved to be real,

if they start an excavation and they have irrefutable proof,

like without a doubt, there's some man-made structures

that are beyond description underneath the ground,

what happens now?

Like what does everybody do?

Like what do all these dorks that think that that's a tomb?

- What do you do with that point?

- What do you do?

- What do you do to all those dorks that think?

Like it makes sense that they built that.

It was a national pastime.

It's a national project.

Come on, bro.

- Yeah, yeah.

- Settle the fuck down.

- I think it's that point, you have to.

- Well, I think the pyramids uniquely stand

as an intelligence test because they are so crazy.

When you have stones that are so large

that are taken from quarries hundreds of miles away.

- Five hundred miles away.

A lot of these people supposedly didn't even have the wheel.

So what is this?

What do you, you don't think this is crazy?

Like this isn't like, oh, we know they use the wood

from these trees to build these homes.

Like this is bananas, this is level level.

This is something that would take us hundreds of years

today to build.

- And one of the things that is said so much,

but I guess it's kind of shrugged off

just 'cause it said so much,

but it's actually a really important point to highlight.

There are no fucking hieroglyphs in the pyramids.

Not one, there's not a single symbol,

not a single element of what we would understand

to be dynastic Egypt.

And so like you have this incredible contradiction

when you go to places like the Valley of the Kings

and the Valley of the Queens, gold,

and you know, it's adorned in patterns.

You can't see a square inch of stone

where there isn't something filled to venerate these people.

And yet the pyramids are bare, bare.

And you know, when you go inside them,

you're gonna go to Egypt, bro.

You're gonna go.

- Eventually.

When you go inside them, it just feels mechanical.

It feels functional.

It's, you know, big port calluses of rose granite

and these shafts going off perfectly vertical

off into the, you can't even see.

And there's nothing about it that feels

spiritual or funerary at all, at all.

- Just looking at it, it looks to me like an advancement

of what we are that's almost like indescribable.

A thousand year advancement of where we are currently

to build something like that.

It seems so nuts.

And there's obviously stuff that doesn't seem as nuts,

it's just beautiful and impressive.

You know, just like the Colosseum in Rome.

- Exactly.

- Or like, you know, the Cropolis.

You know, all those things are fascinating

and incredible craftsmanship and engineering

and architecture, amazing.

But then there's Egypt and you go,

shut the fuck up, like what is that?

That's nuts.

- Yeah, and I resent the idea that we're like taking it away

from them.

It's like let's just be logical about this

and actually assess the toolkit and assess the capabilities

and then look at the evidence of what we're seeing.

- Also, we're not, because it's people

that lived in the same place.

So it's literally just the older versions of them.

- Right.

- It's not like you're saying, you know,

Chinese people came and they did it all

and then they flew back.

- Exactly.

- No, that's not what anybody's saying.

- We're just saying it's your more ancient ancestors.

- Yeah, it's your ancestors.

Not, we're just, the timeline's off.

The timeline seems funky.

Clearly, there were some amazing things

that the Egyptians did during the accepted timeline.

I mean, they were a fascinating culture,

all through till the end, right?

But when you go really far back,

whatever that is is nuts.

And when you're saying that you know exactly

when it was dated, when there's so much evidence

of just today, modern, doing these reconstructions

and fixing and all the feet of the sphinx

and they're covering it with new fucking rocks,

like they've always been doing renovations.

They always do.

So all this stuff that you're saying,

like you've got a piece of wood from inside

one of the cracks, like bitch, that doesn't mean anything.

- Exactly.

- You can't date those rocks.

- No.

- Unless you get under those mother fuckers

to the bottom and take a chunk of organic material

from deep underneath that thing.

So you can know when the first stones are placed,

you don't know, you're guessing.

- And I think that that's why we're coming

to a point now where there's such resistance

from the mainstream when you see scans like this

because they've built themselves into a wall.

You basically have to admit, yeah, we're just fucking wrong.

- You're also seeing them confronted by real evidence.

- Yeah, like real evidence.

And like just when someone takes you for a walk inside

the king's chamber and you look up at those stones

that somehow they're like, how high are they in this guy?

How high are they in this field?

How high are they?

Do you remember?

- Oh God, no, I don't, sorry.

- So 80 ton stones?

- Yeah, 80 tons.

- And the king's chamber, 80 tons.

- How tall, let's look.

- And that's near the apex.

- That is near the apex.

- Jamie, please put this into proplexity.

How tall is the ceiling inside the king's chamber

in the Great Pyramid?

'Cause these things are perfectly placed in there.

Like even if you drag those somehow or another

across the mountains for 500 miles

and got it to the pyramid,

how the fuck did you get it up there?

- Exactly.

I'm not a line up.

How many people got squished?

Chamber itself spans 10.5 meters long by 5.2 meters wide.

How tall is the ceiling?

19 feet.

- 19 feet.

- But it's also near the top of the pyramid.

It's incredibly high up in the pyramid as well.

They have to lift it to that point.

- You have to get these 80 ton blocks 19 feet

and then place them perfectly.

- And there's absolutely again,

there's nothing kingly about the king's chamber.

- At all, it's just completely a bare room of rose granite

with this sarcophagus coming up out of the floor

with a huge chunk missing.

And actually if you look at where that huge chunk is missing

and you turn around and you look at the wall,

there's actually a massive impact on the wall.

There's like a big part of the wall that's been broken off.

So it makes you wonder if maybe that was jettisoned off

at some point from your power or something.

- Well, what do you think is in that,

what they call the sarcophagus?

Do you have a theory?

- I mean, I've been inside it.

There's nothing inside of it.

- You've got in it.

- Yeah, I've laid down inside of it.

- It's kind of creepy.

- With a grand master of the temple or order chanting over me.

- Oh, fun.

- Yeah.

- That was my first trip to Egypt.

- I'm gonna take a video of that.

I put it up on X and no one's ever gonna take you seriously.

- Yeah, that's all right, right?

- Well, this guy's our fucking cook.

- I am.

- I am a cook.

- Well, you have to be a cook.

- You know, yeah.

- You have to be a cook to really enjoy this.

- And you have to be on the fringe.

And also I think some of the most impressive scientists

and creators have been people on the fringe.

You were laughed at by all that peers.

- Well, especially now because the way universities work,

it's essentially there's a person

that is the most important person in that field, right?

At that university.

And there's a bunch of people that want grants.

And there's a bunch of people that want to play nice.

- Exactly.

- And they want the career, they want tenure.

And you gotta be careful who's toes you step on.

And if this one guy is the gatekeeper of it

or a group of guys like him at various universities,

or the gatekeepers to this information,

you're gonna come up with the current bottleneck problem

that we see where people are not just unwilling,

but aggressively attacking people, the question is,

which is why they called Graham Hancock Show,

the most dangerous show on television.

Like, that is so crazy.

You have so many shows where people get murdered.

- That's the best way to make a show go viral though, isn't it?

Best way to make a show go viral.

Don't fucking watch this show.

Like, you know what I mean?

- Great job.

- You did a great job on the video.

- But it does bring up a disturbing and worrying element

of it, just how quickly the mainstream media

in various outlets all aligned at once

to call him everything from a racist to a pseudo-scientist

to a conspiracy theorist.

And you know, it is an alarming kickback

that he's taken in his stride, profoundly, profoundly.

- He's a wonderful guy.

- He's great, I can't wait to speak to him.

I literally missed him by like three days

when I went out to Peru, I was gutted.

- He was my first real guest.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was, isn't he?

- Yeah, I mean, he had a dunk in.

(laughing)

- Oh my god, that must've been so good.

I need to rewatch that.

- From England, we got him to drive to my house.

- Yeah.

- And then once he got to my house, we ordered pizza.

We all ate pizza, I mean, I couldn't believe

I'm hanging out with Graham Hancock.

I was so giddy.

- I was mad.

- It was like one of the first actual guests.

- Giddy moments, like, you know, you're just like,

I can't believe I'm actually sitting with this dude.

- Yeah, because the guest before that

had mostly been comics.

- Right.

- Or some person that I thought was interesting.

You know, some guy that I met at the comedy store,

I'm like, what do you do?

You're a therapist, and what do you give people?

I was like, come on over.

- Come on, talk to me about it.

- Yeah, yeah, I did a lot of those.

But he was, I think, the first real guest.

- Was there like a conscious decision for you

to kind of evolve it from just comedians talking shop

to actually getting different guests on

from a variety of subjects?

'Cause I know you're a curious person.

You've probably been researching these things

even at the point before you were doing that kind of podcast

'cause you were clearly you were.

But yeah, what was the natural evolution of that for you?

- Well, I was always into books about ancient history

and whether it's, you know, like, moderately, you know,

commonly accepted narrative or Graham Hancock stuff.

But I got into Graham Hancock stuff.

I think in the 90s fingerprints of the gods, you know?

And I fucking loved it.

I was so fascinated by, I couldn't shut the fuck up

about it, I would tell people like, you gotta see this.

Like, I think this guy's right.

I think we're, we are a history with Amnesia,

or a race with Amnesia.

And then, of course, I watched "Chairs of the Gods"

that film which I thought was very kooky and fun.

It's a very camping and fun.

And here's the thing about that.

I dismissed it for a long time and I said it's nonsense.

And I was, I actually had lunch once,

Eric Weinstein took me to lunch at Peter Teals House

where we talked to Von Daniken.

And it was fun, fun conversation.

Like, interesting.

I'm talking to, he's a full on true believer.

- Von Daniken?

- Yeah, yeah, fully.

- Of the alien theory, the ancient aliens theory.

And back, see, I've gone in like multiple stages

in my cognitive dissonance and for a while,

I was all in with the aliens.

- I hear you, I'm the same though.

- And then for a while, I was like, no, no, no, no.

There was an advanced civilization

and we're just a rebuilding of that civilization.

And that's probably why we're so barbaric.

And now I'm like, why am I, why are they mutually exclusive?

- Right, it could be a mix.

- Yeah, I don't think they are mutually exclusive.

- When the gods walked amongst us, you know?

- Right.

- And that's when I see the things like the trifectal mummies

and I'm like, okay, okay, okay, what is that?

What are we talking?

Why is Peru so weird?

Why do they have artwork that you can only see from the sky?

Like, there's a lot of weird shit going on here.

Like, don't be so quick to jump.

- Exactly.

- So my point is like, I have always been fascinating

by stories, first of all, any subject

that makes you ridiculous for considering it.

I'm always like, what's that about?

- Yeah.

- Why is that--

- Scratch that bitch a little bit, yeah, yeah.

- All the cooking ones, like ghosts, bigfoot,

all the cooking ones.

- Like, why?

What's the resistance?

- I don't know, why can't you talk about that?

- I don't know, I don't know.

- Russian astronaut tell me a bigfoot story.

- Yeah, he, I mean, pinch assault,

but he claimed that he had been told this

by a military guy out in Russia that they were

in the wreck room of this like air force base.

And apparently, this is according

to this Russian astronaut trainer

at the Yuri Gagarin Space Center in Moscow.

And he said that this, this Yeti Sasquatch type being

apparently just walked in, like, just walked into their

wreck room, helped itself to some water from the water thing,

waived and then vanished.

I don't know.

- So this guy, what was his job?

- He was a trainer of astronauts

at the Yuri Gagarin Space Center in Star City.

Moscow, they probably dozed him up with some of the fun.

- I bet they did.

- And K ultra drugs.

- Yeah, I mean, if you hold onto that kind of information,

interesting story.

- They probably experiment on you.

- Yeah, yeah.

- You probably gave that guys a message.

- I never, I've been given the Sasquatch thing.

It's due course in researching it,

to be honest, I've been very dismissive of that.

But maybe it's, I mean, maybe, you know,

I mean, like, I have the demographic behind it.

- I used to have a Sasquatch bigfoot footprint,

like a cast, like a plaster cast on the desk.

That a rest in peace, Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum,

he just recently died.

I had him on the, as a guest on the show wants to.

He's so crazy.

I told him, I asked him if he was so crazy,

but in a wonderful way.

I said, if you could cut a finger off

to know that Sasquatch was real, would you do it?

He was like, yes.

- It's a link.

- What the fuck do you do?

- Is your finger, don't say yes to that.

- The information just comes out.

You don't have to lose a finger.

- I mean, it's just sitting there with half a finger.

I think bigfoot was a real thing.

- Yeah.

- I think that's why there's something, like,

- Do you think it was just like some sort of, like,

branch of creature?

'Cause so many people think it's like an interdimensional being

or, you know, some sort of-- - It could be that too,

but I think it's jugantopithecus initially.

- Yeah, yeah.

- jugantopithecus was an absolute real thing

that we didn't even know existed until the,

I believe it was the 20s.

- Yeah, around then.

- It's going as teeth in an apothecary shop in China

and then they started researching it

and finding where the dig sites were.

- And, you know, they found jaw bones and indicate

that it was bipedal.

So this is a bipedal hominid that's eight to 10 feet tall.

But what is that?

That's bigfoot.

- That is bigfoot.

- And that's probably, and also this thing,

100% lived around modern human beings.

Like, what we are today, it lived around us.

So imagine you see one of those things.

Well, first of all, you're going to fucking run like hell.

You're going to have stories.

This thing lives in the woods or in the jungle.

Stay out of this spot.

That's where this thing lives.

And that's going to be passed on

from generation to generation to generation until,

even after they're gone, now it's just a whisper.

Now it's just a thing.

It's now it's a mystery man that lives in the woods.

- Are they like antiquated bigfoot stories

like outside of just modern--

- Yes.

- Oh, without a doubt.

Especially Native American cultures.

- Oh, interesting.

- That's what's interesting is like Native American tribes.

There's multiple, obviously, many different tribes,

many different languages, right?

They all have a word for this thing.

Like let's put this into perplexity.

How many different Native American names are there

for bigfoot?

'Cause I believe Sasquatch is a Native American.

I don't know which tribe had that.

But there's multiple different names

for this hairy creature that lives in the woods.

But they don't have names for like a giraffe

that lives in the woods.

They don't have like other mystical animals.

- Just this one.

- Mythical creatures.

You just have this one.

- Yeah.

- And this one is a fucking weird one.

- Well, that's what I mean with the interdimensional aspect.

It's triadifferently than just an animal,

even if it's like--

- Right, that might be real too.

This is part of the problem.

It's like, we might be dealing with multiple different things.

It might not even be Gigantopithecus.

Sasquatch, that's right I've heard that.

Oma, that's right, there was a movie called Oma.

The guy who did the American world for a long time.

- That's just the last words you say

when you see bigfoot.

Oma!

- Yeah, don't do it.

- Yeah, actually, Tanka, big elder brother.

- 70 to 80 names.

- Wicked cannibal.

Oh boy, Wendago, Wicked cannibal.

- Yeah, Wendago, I've heard that one.

- Wendago.

- Yeah, I've heard that one.

- And yet to show, how to say that?

Yet to show?

- Yet to show?

- Yet to show?

- Yeah, yet to show.

- Big God, and that's the Navajo neighborhood.

- So there's a bunch underneath that too.

- Yeah, like it says about 70 to 80 names

when accounting for variants across 50 tribes.

- Okay, so what is that?

- And it's the same with the alien grace,

like the young people.

- Yes.

- Well, and then brings us to the same subject

of what if there is a way to traverse dimensions?

What if this is not as simple as something

gets in a spaceship and it comes here from another planet?

What if it's coming from another place?

And what if that doorway is open to other things?

And what if some of those things are a Sasquatch?

Like under the right conditions, this pathway is open.

And maybe it's not even something that actually exists,

but you can see exists in our tangible timeline,

but you can see under heavy stress,

under like anxiety, and imagine,

what gets you more stressed out

than being in the woods at night, right?

The woods at night creates a lot of anxiety for people

because there's all these sounds and you're looking around,

it's dark, you're vulnerable,

especially if you live in real woods,

like woods that have predators in them.

It's sketchy, and I bet there's different states

of mind that you would, if there's some sort of a possibility,

some sort of a way that an intelligent creature

can get to a point where it has the technology

to access other dimensions.

It can go into other spaces.

Would you even be able to see it all the time?

Would you only be able to see it

if you were like under a highly anxious state in the woods,

you're kind of a little freaked out,

you're more open to weird things,

and then it senses that and communicates with you.

- Well, we are-- - Sounds cookie.

- We're dominated by our perception,

and we have such a narrow bandwidth of visual perception.

You get up the whole light spectrum

and look at visible light,

just this tiny corridor of visible light

that we're able to see.

Obviously, we've developed IR, and if you film

the night sky with infrared, you get weird shit.

You get these orbs and things that seem to fly by,

and I think that it is a perceptual thing

because the reason I even started my YouTube channel

is because I've had my own experiences

with UFO-type phenomena that were entirely initiated by me,

like I asked for them to come and they did.

- See, that sounds cookie.

- I'll take that clip, but I dismiss you immediately.

- There's quite a way for it.

- But this is one of the things that people have been saying

for a long time, is that there's actual groups of people,

and there was even some guy who was somehow

another connect to the government,

that was saying that they lead these people out,

they go out into the desert,

and they have some sort of a secret frequency.

He didn't want to discuss it, that they can push out,

they can send out the secret frequency,

and it'll call them in, and that other people have done it

simply by willing them in.

- That's what I do. - So sitting there

and putting out this message that you're trying

to communicate with them, and then eventually they show up.

- Yeah, I can't speak to technologically assisted

psionics and all that kind of stuff,

but do you want to hear my UFO story?

- First of all, did you come up with this idea on your own,

or did you hear about people doing this?

- No, I heard of it from someone who's a quite polarizing

figure in the UFO community.

I know you've spoken to him, Dr. Stephen Greer,

but... - Polarizing people are right sometimes.

- He's right on this.

- There could be right on a lot of this. - He's right on this.

I know that a lot of people have issues with Greer,

but he was actually my intro into the UFO subject.

So I'll tell you a story.

Sorry about my throat.

Let me just take a sip of water, actually.

This was... - How did he find out about it?

- It's a good question.

He had a near-death experience, believe,

and from that was actually apparently communicated to

and shown things that when he came out of that experience,

he became a Samadhi type teacher.

- Of course.

- You know, but got profoundly interested.

- That's a great origin story.

- Brilliant origin story.

My origin story was I was really bored during COVID.

So like, honestly though, it was actually in 2019

that I had these experiences.

And I do think that it's very important to lay a bit

of foundational groundwork,

because I think a lot of people will recognize this as well.

And it's something that you mentioned with Bigfoot,

being in a high-stress environment in the forest,

maybe that changes your perception.

And I think that there's a degree of trauma,

and a degree of intense emotional moments

that can bring about paranormal experiences.

I don't know why, but it does seem to be something

that a lot of people relate to.

Yes, I was in a very dark time.

Yes, I was having a very traumatic time.

Well, yes, I was going for something.

And then this happened.

And so for me, I was in my third year of university

and struggling.

Just had a whole mix of personal issues going on.

So I ended up kind of dropping out before I finished

and was just a really bad rot.

And my dad was worried about me.

And he said, look, I'm out in this a bit of a long story,

but it's important to lay this foundation, I think,

before I talk about what I actually experienced,

because it plays in.

My dad was worried, he was out in France at the time,

and he said, look, do you want to come out and stay

at this place with me and just kind of relax

and bring yourself back to normal.

I was like, yeah, OK, so I came out.

And he was like, I've got these books that I've been reading.

I think they'll be really beneficial for you.

You should read them.

I was like, OK, I don't see how a book's going to change.

Does you often recommend books?

Not massively, no.

In fact, no, no.

This was the only time you recommended books, which

is interesting.

And there were a series of books called "Conversations

with God" by Neil Donald Walsh.

Have you ever heard of them?

No.

OK, so it's interesting.

It kind of ties into, I suppose, that the channeled works,

things that people believe they receive.

Oh, wait a minute, I have heard of this.

It's quite well known.

He's quite well known.

He was a radio DJ, broke his neck in a car accident,

became homeless, finally managed to get back on his feet.

But was still struggling, wrote an angry letter to God,

and then apparently woke up at 3 o'clock in the morning

and was having voices, literally telling him

to write things down.

And so he wrote all of this down.

And this became "Conversations with God."

It's literally a dialogue of him asking questions

and him receiving answers, which he interpreted as, from God.

Now, that is intense.

And I'm definitely not here to say this is a bible.

And everyone should read it.

However, it was incredibly impactful for me at that time.

The things that I was reading about,

it was a very different idea of God, universal consciousness

leaning towards more than some weird patriarchal cloud

living figure that just never made sense to me.

So it got me in, and I was reading it,

and it helped tremendously, weirdly enough,

which I didn't expect.

And that put me on a path towards researching metaphysics

and philosophy and science and consciousness.

And that's where it really started for me.

But then a couple of years down the line,

I found myself in another depression, in a sense,

because I felt like I'd accumulated a lot of information

about various different topics.

I thought we'd like these big questions

and big answers and big esoteric things.

And I just got to a point where I was like,

"None of this is actually helping me in my life."

In fact, I'm actually feeling like fucking worse

for looking into all of this thing.

I don't know how this is going to benefit me.

So I was sitting on my bed one night,

and I just, I guess you could call it a prayer.

I just sat on my bed and said out loud to the universe,

like I need something that validates all of this.

Like if I'm meant to be looking into these big picture

questions about the universe and consciousness,

if there's something tangible here,

like I need to know and I want evidence,

and I'm ready for it, so give me it, I want that.

And then a week later, my best friend at the time,

he was like, "Hey, I was watching this documentary,

you've got to check it out."

It's called Unacknowledged by this guy

called Dr. Stephen Greer.

And this was my first introduction to the UFO subjects.

I was like, "Okay, cool, sit down and watch that."

Very good documentary.

All of these different high-level officers

and missile launch guys talking about UFOs, it got me in.

And then near the end of that is when he brings up

this concept of CE5, you know, initiating contact with these.

You can actually have your own experiences

by getting into a particular meditative state.

If I hadn't been making that request on my bed

the week prior, I probably just would have watched

that documentary and gone about my life,

but it felt like a very strong message to me personally

because I've been asking for something

to validate these ideas around consciousness.

Now there's a guy saying, yeah,

you can actually have an experience

by going out and attempting to, you know, ask for one.

- So taught me through the process

of actually doing that.

- So he has-- - Did you get it on the first try?

- No.

- How many times do you try?

- It was a weird gradual thing

where things were happening in the sky

that were enough to keep me going out,

but not enough for me to be like, okay, this is legit.

- So how many times did you go out before it worked?

- Before I saw what I really, really saw,

probably about a month of going out.

- Damn, that's commitment.

- But I was seeing things, but they weren't.

It was kind of just enough to make me like, okay.

- What are you seeing?

- Lots of what the contact community

called flash bulbs, flashes of light in the night sky

in a void of space repeatedly

without any discernable object attached to it,

just one flash and then send a thought,

another flash, send a thought, another flash.

And this happened multiple times.

I've been somebody watches the night sky all my life.

I'm used to seeing satellites.

I know what region's layers are for.

Maybe an hour or two hours, you know.

- And so you sit down.

- Are you seated?

- No, I should be standing with my neck cream to the sky,

but I would be--

- Why don't you get a lounge chair?

- I don't know.

- I'm a native.

- I don't know.

I don't think about things properly sometimes

when I do this.

- Just lay down on the ground.

- Just lay on the ground.

- Don't you get a better view of this guy?

- Yeah, but it's cold in England

and it was milky on the floor.

- Oh, it's not.

- Get a tarp.

- Yeah, yeah, but I was essentially,

because of, again, asking the universe for something,

the universe seemed to be giving me some sort of response.

It kind of lit a fire up under me

and I started going outside.

And honestly, a lot of people, even Greer,

has this incredibly complicated method

using Somardi and doing various things.

I didn't do any of that.

I just breathed in through the nose

and out through the mouth until I felt very calm

and then began to very clearly model my thoughts

around the concept of I want something to respond to me.

And then I would essentially visualize

that that was emanating from me,

that these thoughts were emanating from me.

And it didn't take very long

before I'd have flashes of light in the sky

that just seemed weird,

'cause I've never seen anything like that.

Or an incredible influx of what look and behave like satellites,

but just at an incredibly high level,

which is like, what's going on here?

And it just felt like a kind of step-by-step progression

until in August of 2019,

I had four incredibly vivid and real experiences

with orange orbs of light, really profound.

- What was that?

- What happened?

- So I was outside

at this point, it become my routine.

It was in the summer of August

and it was relatively warm.

So I was out doing this quite a lot,

seeing little flashes, seeing things in the sky,

trying to figure out what exactly it was that I was seeing.

And I was standing at the back of my garden

looking towards my house, night sky, crystal clear.

And I saw at the beginning a flash of light

in the corner of the sky.

So I looked over and I saw this flash,

another flash, another flash, and it was just blinking,

but it was static in space.

And then it started moving down.

Every time it blinked, it would move further down.

And I was observing this.

And then it settled above two stars

and kind of created the apex of a triangle.

And it was just flashing above these two stars.

And I was watching this for a while

and it happened for long enough

where I just decided, all right, just thank you,

whatever you are.

I'm just gonna keep panning around the sky here

and looking around.

And as I panned my head, I saw that there was a cloud,

but I didn't really look at it.

And I turned around here, come back.

And I see this cloud again.

And this time I really looked at it.

And this cloud, Joe, had, so strange.

It's like a dark cloud.

But when you stared at it, it had a static appearance.

It's very hard to describe

over the, imagine a light overlay of TV static.

There was particles, it was agitated, it was shimmering.

It's not a cloud, certainly not anything

I've ever seen in my life.

And if we pretend this microphone is my house

and this cloud is here, it's drifting this way.

So eventually it's gonna drift past my house

and go this way, at least according

to its natural trajectory.

It gets to my house

and it does a right angle turn

and it starts coming towards me.

So eventually it's gonna be above my head,

this cloud-like formation.

A cloud does a right angle turn in the sky.

A abrupt as in 90 degrees.

It's going like this

and now it's going like this towards you.

High up in the sky,

but it's now in my path,

complete 90 degree shift from its trajectory.

And I saw it, like a jarring,

now it's going this way.

Okay, so at this point, I'm rooted in place.

Not really scared, but I'm shocked

at the fact that this thing did what it just did.

And I'm watching as it's coming closer

and closer towards where I'm gonna be.

Eventually it's directly above my head.

It sounds so crazy.

And you know, Terrence McKenna said something like this.

He was like, you know, if you tell the unvarnished truth

about a UFO experience,

you'll be taken for a fool.

It's like it's true, you know.

If you just tell people what really happened,

but this is what really happens.

So this cloud comes above my head.

As it's directly above my head,

this cloud sucked into itself

as if there was a central vacuum,

central point where it just got sucked into itself.

And it revealed a triangle formation

of about 25, maybe 30 orange orbs of light in a triangle.

And this triangle, basically the cloud went,

triangle was revealed.

It kept moving.

I had to turn around and watch as it went off

in this direction.

And as I was watching it,

I could see that some of these orbs

were actually swapping formation,

swapping position in this formation.

And that was the first time I saw them.

I saw them three other occasions

all within the space of a month after this.

Weirdly enough, I woke up the next day

and this is the only element of the story

as crazy as the whole thing sounds.

If the only element that makes me personally uncomfortable,

I was getting out of the shower

and as I was drawing myself off immediately,

immediately noticed where this tattoo is now.

There was a triangle mark of three red marks,

one here, one here, one here, very vivid.

Like the most coveted up of the tattoo.

Well, it faded.

It faded over time.

I have taken pictures of it.

Yeah, yeah.

Is it clear?

Yes, can I see it?

I can try and find them.

Yeah, I haven't got my internet on right now.

Jamie, if you go onto my ex account

and just type in

J Anderson marks on arm,

maybe that will come up, I'm sorry.

I should have really sent that ahead of time,

but I do have images online, people have seen them.

And I've discussed it many times.

Did it look like a wound?

Did it look like a tattoo?

So three red marks, no bump, no scab, no itching,

no feeling of discomfort.

There was a slight shine to them

as if it was almost like a healed over burn.

And this was very vivid.

It didn't dissipate for over a year.

It was on my arm for about a year

before it faded away, eventually faded away.

And then I got home, he's chris majestic tattooed on my arm.

Weirdly enough, I got this tattoo

and then got invited to Egypt.

But yeah, I had these experiences,

I had another experience where they came down

and hovered above my house.

Yeah, I asked you this, so these orbs.

Yeah, there's...

There you go, there you go.

Thanks Jamie, thanks for that.

That is.

Yeah, it looks like you burned three cigarettes in your arms.

That's what some asshole online definitely claimed.

But I didn't.

Well, that's what I would say too,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is crazy.

Yeah, I noticed it immediately.

I'm not particularly comfortable with it.

I don't know what it really means.

I really...

I'm a bit of an idiot, Joe,

'cause I should have gone to a dermatologist.

I should have actually had someone look at it.

You have to end it, but cattle, son.

Well, that's kind of what I think at the same time.

Can I... Can I even be mad at them?

I was like, "Show me, show me, give me evidence."

I want to sign, "Fuck it, finance."

Right. Well, I would say whatever that is on your arm,

who knows?

Maybe a dermatologist could explain it as just a coincidence,

but the actual thing itself is far more interesting to me.

And, like, one of the things that people always say

is if they were out there, what wouldn't we see them?

Like, God, if they could come here from another dimension,

or if they can come here from another planet,

or another solar system,

don't you think they could probably hide?

Like, we're pretty good at hiding.

Like, do you think, like, we have...

We have technology right now, like the stealth bomber stuff,

that diminishes the radar signal.

Exactly. You can't pick them up on radar.

So, why would it be impossible to somehow

another manipulate your visual field,

project what looks like clouds on the outside?

We know that we can do stuff like that with plasma.

Like, they have these plasma things

that could spin in the sky.

Absolutely.

It's weird. They can make objects out of them.

I wonder if that was plasma.

I actually do wonder if this was a form

of self-organizing plasma,

because that's definitely something

that people have looked into quite a bit.

That maybe plasma has intelligence.

Yes.

It is some, yeah.

Yes, and perhaps these are a form

of individuated, plasma intelligences

that can interact.

And one thing that's very interesting about that,

there was a brilliant paper, actually, I did a video on it.

It's like 11 different scientific institutes

looking at the idea of self-organizing plasma

and intelligent plasma.

And they were using some references,

like do you know the STS-75 NASA missions,

where the tether broke and you had all these strange things

going around the tether?

Yes.

So that's dismissed as ice particles and things like that.

Have you ever seen the motion tracking version of that,

where someone actually attached the flight paths

of each object, so you can see the flight path?

No.

That's crazy, because--

Do we see it?

Yeah, I'm sure if Jamie looks up--

That is a weird STS-75 flight path.

Lights are going towards that thing and checking it out.

Yes, so this is a gigantic tether.

I think it's like two kilometers long,

or something is absolutely insane.

It broke away from the ship.

And as it broke away, you had these--

well, what some people believe to be UFOs or plasmic

intelligences, or if you're on the mainstream side,

you'd say these are ice particles.

There you go.

If you go slightly further back, slightly further back,

there you go, just as that green one's starting up,

this is the flight path.

So if you just take it back to the beginning of that--

and this is where they've attached the flight paths.

And you will see complete 90 degree turns.

You'll see absolute stops and reversals of change.

And it's incredible.

I wonder if it's just a kind of life that we--

I truly think that's the case soon.

I truly think that lives in space.

I think so.

I really do.

Like, the things they find at these volcanic vents

at the bottom of the ocean, they're like, oh,

we didn't even know that something could survive down here.

It could be a type of life that survives in the void of space.

And it just-- it wouldn't be a biological thing.

It would be some form of energy or light.

This is apparently what all the spooks were telling Tom

the long when he went to the Pensagon

that there's amoebas in space, the size of whales,

and that these things were essentially--

I actually told them.

Yeah, I remember when he was on "Fate to Black,"

and he was talking about that there are these amoebas in space

that are like, you know.

But why would they tell him?

And then he goes on those shows and tells--

I feel like that's a kind of a guy

that you tell some things that you want to get out.

And it doesn't necessarily have to be true.

No, no.

And matter of fact, it's more fun if it's not true.

And make them say as much cookie shit as possible.

So that the stuff that he's going to say that it's true

looks ridiculous.

And now all of those guys that gave them that information

are on the age of disclosure.

Exactly.

We should trust them, right?

We should trust all of these government spooks.

It's fun.

If you're playing, it's like the world

is a gigantic escape room.

You're playing a bunch of weird puzzles,

and you're trying to figure it out.

But nothing is what it seems.

Nothing's as it seems.

I think with Tom DeLong and the UFO subject

and two-stars Academy and all the things that have happened

since like 2017, New York Times, I have opinions on it

because I think I might be the first guest

that you've had on that wasn't already quite established.

So I've had to work my way up through social media,

through the interactions in the community,

to personal relations of people that aren't big names

or anything like that.

I've had to work my way up it.

So I've seen and been exposed to things

that perhaps people like Jeremy Corbell and others

who are already quite big names haven't seen,

because they're too big.

They don't need to be on social media looking at fucking comments

or like what's going on in the X space.

But if you are like that, you start to notice things.

And so what's interesting to me, despite what anyone

wants to say about Stephen Greer?

And I've got my own issues with Stephen Greer.

What's interesting to me is that the only person really

who was making noise prior to TTSA was Stephen Greer.

He was the one that was putting out Netflix documentaries

that were getting seen by millions of people all over the world.

And he was saying, you know, these are black budget

illegal programs.

This is an anti-congrational crime against humanity.

We need to be busting down the doors.

This is not exactly what they would want to hear

if they were inside the national security state.

There's this guy out there saying this,

what do you do about that?

Well, do you know how Tom DeLong got linked up

at the very beginning to all of this?

- No.

- So he's always been a UFO guy.

And because of his background and the money,

he was able to secure connections.

And he was very friendly with Greer.

He was best buds with Greer at one point.

In fact, there's a video of him when he's quite young.

And he's pointing out all of the witness,

UFO witness tapes that he's got on his library.

And he's like, you know, these are all,

I'm holding onto these for a guy.

He's got like 50 whistleblowers.

He's bringing this all out.

And this is before Greer, you know,

kind of made the announcement.

So it's obviously Greer.

And Tom DeLong's on Fade to Black.

And I want to say 2015 talking about this

where he tells the story of how a friend of his

at Lockheed Martin calls him up and says,

"Hey, we're having a family and friends meet and greet

over at Lockheed Martin.

Would you want to introduce the bosses to the stage?"

And he said, "Yeah, but I want 10 minutes

with your bosses afterwards."

And they were like, "Okay."

And so he went and he introduced them on stage.

And then he tells a story of being taken through,

you know, these white noise corridors

and down into this place where eventually he was chilling

with the guys at Skunk Works.

And, you know, these big directors

are all sitting in this room.

All right, okay, what is it you want to talk about?

This is where he pitches two to stars academy

of arts and science and this framework.

And what's interesting is on the radio,

when he's talking about this, he's saying,

you have to approach these guys

like you want to be of service.

You know what I was saying?

I'm being of service.

I want to help.

I want to help.

So you've got a disruptive rogue person out there,

Stephen Greer, saying all this stuff.

Of course, in commotion, what do we do about that?

I have no idea.

Suddenly, in walks a rock star, use me.

'Cause that's basically what he said, use me.

I'm happy to do whatever it was.

I am your conjurer into the public.

Now, no disrespect to Tom of May.

He's a lovely guy.

And I'm very passionate about a subject.

But I do think he was used.

And what you get from there, is the two-stars academy platform.

Suddenly, you have this official kind of green lit disclosure,

very soft disclosure.

There's nothing like Stephen Greer's disclosure.

And we're all being encouraged to partake

and support in this very, what should we say,

curated method of soft disclosure for the people.

I think that they were very worried

about what type of disruptive truths might come out

before it was time to talk about them.

And then suddenly, Tom DeLong was a very useful medium

for communicating this.

And when you see things like the WikiLeaks emails

between him and John Podesta,

where he's literally saying,

this is about bolstering PR for the military industrial complex

from a disenfranchised youth.

And the generations of youth today don't trust the government.

We want to change that.

We want to change the perception of the military

in the government.

He's literally emailing John Podesta about this.

So it's very clear that at the very least,

he was willing to be the messenger

of whatever message they wanted to give him.

And it just so happens that that message

completely counteracts what Greer's talking about

in terms of classified black budget programs

that have already cracked reverse engineering.

We cracked anti-gravity in October 1954.

You know, this kind of stuff.

It's like complete reversal of that narrative.

- Interesting. - Yeah.

- Interesting.

Well, it makes sense.

That's what's the term, useful idiots.

- Useful idiots. - Yeah, they love doing that.

- Yeah.

- You know, I've said it before, I'll say it again.

I know I've had people on this podcast

that were doing that with me.

- I know they were coming on saying

a bunch nonsense.

But you have to let them talk.

'Cause-- - For sure.

- The truth comes out in the wash.

- For sure.

- And I think what's interesting about the age of disclosure

is this narrative of the reality of what happened.

If it did happen, there's long Congress.

There's misappropriation of funds.

You're gonna need amnesty.

And so this is the narrative.

This narrative is we need amnesty.

So it's kind of a smart way to do it.

Do it in a documentary.

Have all these people, they're probably implicated

in some way.

- We need amnesty. - We need amnesty.

All these people that say that they know

about these programs with amnesty is important

because-- - You know what I'm saying?

- People have been, but what they've been doing really,

if they have been doing what we assume they've been doing.

We assume they've retrieved crash UFOs

and they've back engineered them.

We assume they've used that technology.

We assume they're aware that there's non-human intelligences

that are far beyond our technological capabilities.

And that we interact with them.

You've committed a crime against humanity

by not telling people that

because we all operate under the assumption

that we have an understanding of what our role is

in this ecosystem of life.

And if our role is not even remotely at the apex,

if we are being visited and manipulated

and if we're actually a product of experiments,

you should fucking tell us.

You can't, you guys can't be hanging out at Raytheon

in the fucking conference room.

- Can you believe this shit?

- Yeah. - Yeah.

- Would you go Rolexes on?

- You mother fuckers. - Right.

- Right?

(laughing)

- Tell everyone-- - But we can't handle the truth.

- Right, we can't handle it.

- They are right with the amnesty thing.

I think that's the pathway.

- I mean, look, these guys are not gonna,

what they stole, they stole, okay?

What they did, they did.

What the line of Congress, the lies have been told,

let's fucking find out what the truth is.

These guys, whatever they did, they did.

Okay, you didn't stop it then, let it go.

The more important thing is, let's find out if this is real.

That's more important than everything.

For the race, for the human race, the entire human race.

And the science and technology to have all this stuff

locked down like that and not allow the great young minds

that are coming up right now to have access to this.

- It's crazy.

You're wasting one of the most valuable resources

that we have with secrecy.

- I think there's so many different reasons

why they might want to keep this a secret

in terms of breakthrough energy and propulsion systems.

Like there's so many different implications to that, right?

- Massively disruptive.

- Massively disruptive.

And could you imagine some like whacked out fucking dude

with a zero point energy device?

- Or you imagine a guy who's running an oil company

who finds out they're about to do something like that,

like the fuck you are, like how this guy at MIT,

they just got assassinated in his home.

- Dude, this is, the wet works in the corporate world

is very real.

- This is very real.

- This guy was, he, one of the more disturbing theories

he had was that not only is a shift of the magnetic poles

that, here I'll send it to you, Jamie.

But his take on it was that the shift of the magnetic poles

is necessary in order to maintain, well, I don't wanna fuck it up.

- Well, like a natural earth cycle that has to happen.

- I'm sorry, I'm trying to think and look it up

at the same time. - You're good.

Here it is.

I'll send it to you, Jamie.

Sorry for the dead air folks.

Okay, so it says,

the assassinated MIT plasma scientist warned that earth requires

periodic magnetic reversals to sustain its field.

- Interesting.

- No reversal equals no dynamo equals the magnetic field dissipates.

The last time this happened,

and this in the tweet says no was flood.

(laughing)

- Oh, somewhere in the mouth, oh I know both these guys.

- This guy who has a whistle blow, yeah.

- Yeah, I'm on.

- Is that not loading?

- It's a clip. - That's my physics 101 fluid description.

- It seems like the clip's not okay.

Let's hear what you has to say.

It's really interesting. - Shit man.

- You mentioned that the earth's magnetic field

was constant in the last 10 years.

So yeah, is it right that the earth has lost 10%

of its magnetic field in the last 150 years?

And outcome.

- So, excellent question Alec, thank you.

So when I say the earth's magnetic field

has remained roughly constant.

What I mean is if you look over long-ish timescales,

its magnitude is roughly constant.

But of course it varies, right?

And it reverses sometimes, right?

And those reversals of the earth's magnetic field.

So you know, reversal meaning the North Pole

becomes the South Pole and vice versa.

So those happen.

And there's even interesting stories you can tell

about how those reversals of the earth's magnetic field

correlate with many ice sages and things like this, okay?

But the idea is that if you average over

these periodic reversals, right, or fluctuations,

the amplitude of the field has remained roughly constant, okay?

And the idea is that if there was no induction,

if there was no dynamo working, you would,

you and I wouldn't be talking, right?

The magnetic field would have diffused very quickly, right?

In within 10 to the five years,

the earth would be left without a magnetic field

and the earth's magnetic field protected

from cosmic radiation, right?

And if you were open to that radiation,

we, well, you wouldn't be here, like I said, nor would I.

Yep.

Thank you very much.

Wild.

And they just put bullets into that, dude.

Well, I, like, you know, it could, listen,

it could have been a robbery.

We don't know.

Maybe Massachusetts has a lot of robberies.

Fischer, they've got a lot of--

Fischer.

It's one of them East Coast liberal run cities.

It's got a crime problem.

Completely fucked.

And I'm sure, you know, as a MIT professor,

it's probably lived nice.

Yeah, I mean, it's possible.

It's possible, but it also is possible that somebody killed him.

And imagine if they killed him because he's telling us,

hey, it's about to reverse its magnetic poles

and we might be fucked.

A cataclysm might be coming.

Well, this is what I think there was a knowledge

of in deep antiquity.

There was a knowledge of cycles, of earth cycles,

and they were preparing for it.

You know, why are these structures built in a way

that's anti-science makes, that's resistant to incredible force?

The amount of--

Saxony woman.

Saxony woman's such a good example of that.

It's really an incredible example.

I mean, the level of ingenuity and also the fact

that they're finding that these walls go way deeper, right?

Because it's not just the excavation

where they're going deep down and finding new blocks of stone.

But just the walls, there's key excavations

going on around the walls.

They just keep going now.

So as I say this, this place was buried.

Maybe a lot of earth push up and submerged into the ground.

Clearly, this place experienced some form of global upheaval.

And what's really weird about a place like Peru, for example,

is that prior to the--

well, at the end of the last glacial maximum,

around 19,000 years ago, when the earth

started to warm up again, there were certain climatologically

stable corridors.

And Peru was one of those areas, which

was actually quite climatologically stable.

So at the end of the LGM, the last glacial maximum,

to the Younger Dryas, it's about 6,000 plus.

It's just 6,000 in change.

We've taken ourselves from horse and cart

to supercomputers in less than 150 years.

So the idea, the areas of the world that had stability

for about 6,000 years, couldn't create something incredible.

And then the Younger Dryas comes.

And it takes it all away for the most part.

It's very provocative in Peru, because of, again,

the existence of the inca structures

that are very quite pristine, actually,

and still standing, very simple.

And yet, they are surrounded by broken megaliths

and multi-ton structures that have gone

through incredible damage.

And what I was getting at when I was saying about that area

is the way the stones are interlocked

would protect it against earthquakes.

Yeah, dissipate the force for all these different areas.

It allows for the force, for the kinetic force,

to dissipate through the structure instead

of it being focused and blowing apart one area of it.

So it's clearly done for the purposes

of trying to prevent massive amounts of force.

Where would they get that type of a concept from?

It makes me wonder.

It makes me wonder if they did have a knowledge

of great cycles, you know?

Like the Adam and Eve story, you know,

the whole thing that was like classified by a CIA

for a minute, the Adam and Eve story.

It was classified by the CIA.

It was listed on their freedom of information at library.

Oh, right.

What was that again?

It was a deep research into cycles,

great cycles of cataclysmic destruction on Earth

by a guy called, his name was Chan Thomas,

but I think I was a pseudonym for a not real name.

And he actually had at the beginning of it,

like a series of people he had listed

who without whom this book would not be possible.

And it was like, you know, top five star generals

and like, it's like, okay.

So, you know, this guy had the, you know,

Chan Thomas, the Adam and Eve story,

it's all about this great cyclical cataclysm

that does take place every,

was it like 12,000 years or something like that

and that the ancients had a knowledge of this.

And I think that this is something

that we will probably begin to realize

is that somewhere in deep antiquity,

there was a level of knowledge

that is very contradictory to what we understand now.

And I think places like Peru, places like Egypt

and others, Malta, Gobekli Tepe, of course.

It's becoming very palpable

that there was something before this.

Also, when you see the spikes of the Earth's temperature,

when you see those ups and downs, those glaciers

and those warming periods, like,

what is there a uniform time in between those spikes?

- In terms of-- - Is it like predictable?

- I don't know.

- Is it like every 12,000 years it gets a little funky?

- I imagine it's probably about 12,000 years comes back.

- But this is, again, this is one of the things

that people in, like, you know, the conspiracy world

would say they're keeping from us.

They're keeping this knowledge.

Yes, there are 12,000 year cycles

and we are just not being allowed to know that knowledge,

but that seems weird.

- I don't know.

- Well, they have models of the past.

- Exactly.

We, of course, samples and things along those signs,

but we do know that it's never static

and we do know that there have been these periods

and they do look like, like, you know, a strange graph.

It's not a flat line, like, it's all getting warmer.

No, it's always crazy.

So, like, what is causing these dips and these rises

and these weird periods that seem to be rhythmic,

you know what I'm saying?

It's not like there's an immense time of heating

in a small time of cool rain.

And then, no, it's up and down and up and down.

It's almost like the heartbeat of the planet, isn't it?

Yeah, look at the planet as a form of conscious entity.

As certainly capable of producing conscious beings

on top of it, so I wonder about that

and the Mycelial Network, you know,

these kind of elements to the planet

that almost seem like neurological architecture.

- Well, even if you could look from afar,

if you could, like, have the concept of the earth,

like, the waters moving, the clouds are moving.

- Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.

- It's like a live thing almost.

- Yeah.

- Well, it's not moving because it's tissue,

but that doesn't mean that there's not a force

that's all connected and working in harmony.

- Exactly. - Yeah.

- I mean, that's why I think plasmic intelligence

is very interesting, 'cause it's this idea

that a self-organizing plasmic structure

could in some way create consciousness inside of it.

And we don't understand where consciousness comes from.

We still don't.

So it's very open to the idea of possibility.

And I've spoken to some pretty interesting scientists,

like Dr. Salvatore Pais, he's the guy that was responsible

for the, you know, the UFO, US Navy UFO patents

that got put out a few years back like underwater,

undersea plasmic generators and things like this.

He was a US space force engineer

and he is very much of the opinion that plasma itself

is capable of becoming conscious, not conscious on its own.

But 99% of the observable universe is made out of plasma.

99%, okay?

Isn't it weird how we get taught about solids, gases

and liquids, but not plasma, the fourth state of matter

that's 99% of the universe?

Why aren't we taught about that in school?

- That's weird. - Weird, right?

Do you ever remember being taught plasma in school?

- Well, when did they start learning that?

- Well, I mean, I don't know,

but it's certainly before my time in school,

I didn't get taught it, you know what I mean?

- So why would they, are you saying

that they perhaps are hiding this?

- I think there's things within plasma physics

that are so novel and exotic,

like any self-organizing EVOs, exotic vacuum objects

and their science that they're studying

and have you ever heard of the Sapphire project?

- No. - It's kind of gone quiet now.

How put off got involved for a minute?

Where they're claiming to bottle the stars

and they're creating these plasmic,

self-organizing plasmas inside these chambers,

but they were claiming could transform metals

from one metal into gold

or, you know, like, transmutation of elements

and complete revolution of propulsion and energy,

and then it just fizzles that.

- I always wondered about that with plasma.

- Why were people really trying to make gold?

- That seems so crazy that you think

you could make something like that.

And I always wonder, did maybe somebody used to make it

and they have like this story

of how people used to make gold?

Like if there was, like imagine the caps

of the great pyramids are in gold, right?

And some, what if they're made that gold?

- Right. - Right.

- They'd gotten to, it's not impossible

to assume like if the earth creates gold,

it's not impossible to think

that we could take the elements

of the earth and create gold as well.

It's got to be a way to do it.

- It's got to be a way to do it.

- Is there a way to create gold currently?

- Oh no, that's a good question.

- Let's put that into our sponsor professor.

- I'm gonna look, and how do you make gold?

- Well, let me show you what I asked first.

The Alchemy history of gold.

Automatically brought up ancient Egypt metallurgy,

lending four classical elements.

- Whoa.

- So there is some sort of cross.

- Earth, air, fire and water, and you make gold.

- It spread to Greco and Roman texts

via the Islamic world in the eighth century.

- Wow. - Were they made experimental methods?

So, I mean, gold plating is maybe what they're getting at.

I don't know if that's--

- Unless they were trying to create gold.

- A lot of alchemy is also kind of personal alchemy of the soul.

And so it's not always necessarily meant

as a physical thing, turning base metals into gold.

It's more about turning you, base human,

into a golden person.

Like a lot of the times in alchemy,

it's more about the personal development of your spirit

and your soul.

- Mixed together with science.

- They're clearly talking about metallurgy here.

- Oh yeah, I mean, like right here.

- But I mean, if gold was a valuable part of technology,

which it is, and it had conducting aspects to it,

it's very conducive, where it's very good at conducting.

- Conductive, yeah.

- And you can make it modern methods.

Particle accelerators, like serons, large rond collider,

achieve this by slamming lead nuclei together

in near miscollisions, generating intense electromagnetic fields

that eject three protons from the lead A2 protons

to form gold, 79 protons.

The alice experiment detected up to 89,000 gold nuclei per second

during lead lead runs, totaling or lead lead runs,

much for which point.

Totaling 29 picograms over years, trillions of times less

than needed for visible amounts.

- Whoa, that's crazy.

- Trillions of tons of leads in need for visual amounts.

- The only 1980 Glen Seaburg transmuted to bismuth

into gold isotope using carbon and neon beams

at Lawrence Berkeley Lab.

- Maybe they used pyramids for lightning strikes

to create gold with iron ore streams.

And next thing, you know, you get gold.

That's why that's so much gold.

- I mean, who knows?

Who knows what they figured out?

- But we should be able to ask these questions,

and don't be concerned.

- Well, it's certainly fascinating.

- It's certainly fascinating that people have been obsessed

with the possibility of making gold.

Obviously, it's because gold is rare and very valuable,

but here's the question, why is gold very valuable?

You can't make a weapon out of it.

How did it rise to prominence?

- Isn't there like some like translations that are,

from like the Old Samaritan, Babylonian text,

where it's kind of like we were made to mine gold?

- That's all Zacharias' sitchin', right?

- Yeah, Zacharias' sitchin', though, is very controversial.

I'm too stupid to know who's right.

But I do know that I always, when I talk about Zacharias,

I always talk about the website.

Sitchin' is wrong to talk about.

- Yeah, yeah.

- So there's a website, it seems like he was the only

one that was buying into that.

And, you know, when I talk to Wes Huff,

he doesn't even think that Zacharias' sitchin'

could actually read Samaritan.