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>> The Joe, Rogan, experience.

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>> I just really feel like you might have a chance here to like really help some people that were big.

You know what I think like that in this pod, we might have a chance to like million percent.

>> So I brought a bunch of notes about what I went through.

So don't look at me like a super nerd today, but I want to make sure I got my,

I want to help people, dude, I just, man, I never thought I'd lose as well.

>> I like a dude with notes, especially a dude who lost 300 fucking pounds.

>> Let's go baby, let's go, look at you, dude.

>> Dude, I feel great, you should feel great.

>> I feel really, really good, dude.

>> You're totally doing human being.

>> It is, man.

When you know what's crazy, I don't want to get super spirits allowed to gate,

but I will because I think God wants me to right now, because you say in that,

there's a scripture in a Bible that says in Christ, all things are a new creation,

which I thought was interesting, because it didn't talk about restoring the old.

It says that in God, we are a completely new creation.

You know what I mean?

So like, I was looking at it at first, like I'm restoring my heart.

But then when you're saying that, I'm like, no, I didn't restore my heart, I got a whole new heart.

This is a brand new heart, Joe.

You know what I mean?

It might be cloaked as the old one, but God touched it.

It's a whole new heart, baby.

>> Well, it's a different heart.

>> Every seven years doesn't every cell in your body get replaced by new cells.

>> Is that what the number is?

>> That's crazy.

>> It happens a lot in our response or perplexity and find out that's nonsense.

But I think that's true.

I think that's what happens.

So you do have a chance to be a new human being.

>> And think that it would happen on a holy number like that.

>> It's a myth.

God damn it.

>> No.

>> Shit.

Every seven years is a myth.

Different cell types of very different lifespans and some last the lifetime.

I think neurons last the lifetime.

Seven-year figure is a rough average estimate of cell age.

Okay, so it's not a total myth.

Not a fixed cycle where everything is swapped out all at once.

Some tissues renew very fast.

Why others renew slowly or hardly at all.

Which averages out to several years if you look at all the cells together.

So in test and lining cells renew every two to five days.

Wow.

Stomach lining turns over roughly every two to nine days.

Skin surface cells replace roughly every few weeks.

Liver cells are typically renewed on time scales of many months up to a few years.

Bone cells take up to a decade.

The fully remodeled skeleton.

Muscles and cells.

Anyway, cells are changing all the time.

>> God, it's constantly renewing baby.

>> Yeah.

>> Feels good, man.

The whole different human, we were talking about it.

When I first came to your club I couldn't even walk all the way up the steps.

Without stopping like every seventh step.

And today was my, me and Cam did my first 10K yesterday.

We did a little bit over, we did six five.

So today was recovery run day, I did two and a half miles.

Just having a conversation with you while you're swinging kettlebells.

I was like, look at who I am, I'm sure I'm a holder guy.

>> Yeah, just chilling doing two and a half miles on a treadmill.

>> This check, wow.

>> Just watching the, yeah.

>> The Peter Yon fight again.

>> And you love fucking, you had a nice pace.

You look casual doing it.

>> You're good.

>> Yeah, you can tell you've been working.

You know, it's not like a new thing.

Your body's acclimated to it.

You can really tell.

>> It's like, and I heard Tony Robbins once say that we grossly overestimate

what we can do in a year, and we underestimate what we can do in a decade.

And for people that might be listening to this, that are dealing with severe obesity.

I want to give you this game.

You will grossly overestimate what you can do in 90 days, but underestimate in what you

can do in a year when it comes to your health.

Like, it was right around my 30, I turned 41 three days ago, and it was right around

my 39th birthday that I started really considering taking the step to try to make a major change

in my life.

And I thought about it around my birthday, because I knew my next one was 40.

You know what I mean?

And I was like, I don't think I've ever met a 500 pound 40 year old.

>> They don't.

You know what I mean?

>> I'm very often.

>> Usually that's when they--

>> It's about it up off.

>> Yeah.

>> And it felt like I'd already cheated the game.

I'd had multiple heart issues, you know?

And I was like, man, I should really start trying to figure this out.

And I felt like I could feel myself dying, Joe.

You know, and it was crazy because I spent most of my life thinking that I, when I get

to this point, or that if I never thought I'd get to this point, we'll start there as far

as success.

>> But even your hands look smaller.

>> Dude.

>> You have new hands.

>> I've had to change my or ring size five times in this process.

I've changed clothes for two years straight.

>> I'm looking at your hands and look, it has different size of hands.

>> That's crazy.

>> That's crazy.

>> Everything, dude.

It's just--

>> I haven't seen you in how long.

It's been at least a year and a half.

>> It's been a year and a half.

We did the pod.

I was in this pod bragging about being 420 pounds because I'd lost 120 pounds.

And I was in here excited about those 120, you know?

And I would have never guessed it.

I've lost Ilya Toporia since then.

>> You know what I'm saying?

I've lost a whole nother.

You know, a whole nother.

My chef said it best, he said when Charles Oliver fell off of Michael Chandler's back, that

was what you lost in the last--

>> Yeah.

>> Since the last time you've seen Joe, be like if a Michael Chandler just jumped off your

shoulders.

>> That's crazy.

>> It's crazy, Joe.

>> It's crazy.

When I go walk with my dog, I put a 45 pound plate on a pack.

And when I get done with the walk, I take it off and I'm like, "Whew, that ain't shit."

You were walking around with an extra 300 fucking pounds.

>> Kim said this yesterday was so funny.

He said, "You know why you're inspiring so many people?"

He said, "Think about how much David Goggins inspired people because he went from 300 pounds

to getting in shape?"

He said, "And you've lost David Goggins at his biggest."

>> I'd never even thought about that.

>> Yeah.

>> I was like, "Wow."

I was like, "Yeah, that's a whole--

>> You lost a whole David Goggins.

>> My surgeon said, "I have 35 pounds of skin on me now."

>> Wow.

>> I mean, you've seen it.

I showed you my--

>> Yeah.

>> And it's like, it's crazy, dude.

>> That's crazy.

It's just 30 pounds, five pounds of extra skin.

>> Just extra skin.

>> It's crazy.

>> It's just hanging off the front of me right now.

>> It's crazy.

>> Somebody said, "Doesn't that hurt?"

I was like, "Not as bad as the 500 that was hanging."

I'll take these 35 over that all day, dude.

Way, way fair exchange.

>> So what was-- you knew you were doing bad.

You knew your body was not-- it was not going to be able to function at that weight for

very much longer.

And so what was the pivotal moment where you made this decision?

>> Here, this is going to-- this is why I wanted to do this with you.

Thank you for letting me have this space because this is what I want people to hear.

Is that every time I thought I had a critical moment, it was an emotional moment.

So I'd get all fired up.

I've been trying to lose this weight my whole life, and I-- and I'd yo-yo 50, 70 pounds

down, go back up.

Me and my-- my nutritionist, Ian Laura, as we're looking at notes yesterday, I spent

most of 2022 between 480 and 560 pounds.

Like that year.

That's how much I fluctuated just a year up in the--

>> 560s, so crazy, you know.

So it's like, I was just such a-- so when I sat down to try to lose it this time, I said,

"I'm going to take a different approach.

I'm going to really take my time with it, and I'm going to think about what I'm doing

and be in tension.

I'm not going to let it be an emotional thing where you just jump up a girl.

I'm going to go running to do it and do to do it."

And I was like, "Let me figure this out, and clearly I've dealt with drug addiction."

So I was like, "Maybe there's something here."

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The problem with food addiction, as opposed to every other addiction, is that you have to

keep doing the thing you're addicted to.

You have to.

And it's everywhere.

Yeah.

It's everywhere, and heroin isn't everywhere, but there's not heroin on this table.

You know what I'm saying?

There's a cookie on here somewhere.

Food is something that you need to sustain you to keep alive.

Imagine if you were gambling addict, but you had to play a few hands of blackjack every

day.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Like you had to.

You have to.

You have to.

Stay alive.

You can imagine I started with that mentality.

I said, well, the first thing I'll do is, let me, you know, how can I cut back how much

I'm eating less, less eating periods.

But the first thing I did was started, every time I said I was going to lose the weight,

so I said, I lied to myself.

We talked about this.

I would tell myself, I'm going to do this.

I'm going to go do that.

And then I'd go tell my family that.

So the last started with me, though, you know, there's, there's a big person listening

to this right now or a drug addict or somebody who wants to change some part of their life

that right now is going, I'm going to start next Monday.

You know, or I'm going to start Friday or I'm going to start, they have a start date.

You know, they, and then that Monday comes and they never do it.

I told you, I was like, every other fat fuck.

Even when I finally did it on Friday, I was like, Monday, we could have changed my life.

And I was like, but I had an idea.

I was like, I'm not cutting out food.

I'm not dealing with nothing crazy.

I'm going to do two small things first.

I'm going to cold plunge because I've been watching Dana White do it and it seems to be

working for him.

That's not even.

I was the whole thing first.

I was like, Dana's cold plunging.

He got in shape.

I was like, and I reached out to Gary immediately, like right around that 39th birthday,

I reached out to Gary Brecken.

I just sent a message to Breck of Blind that said, do you work with fat people?

I hadn't seen a real case study of fat people yet.

And lucky for me, Alina, their daughter, him and sage's daughter was a country music fan.

So she comes in, like, you ever heard a jelly roll?

And they're like, no, she's like, you got to listen to this song.

And then you got to help him.

So Gary called and Gary was like, and I said, Gary, I'm going to start, but he said,

just start by trying to get 10,000 steps a day and get in a cold plunge.

I'm like, do them 520 pounds, Gary, 10,000 steps a day, it's crazy talk.

And I got in the cold plunge for six minutes and I would go for a half mile walk.

That first Monday comes, Joe, it is pissing rain, pissing rain.

I mean, cats and dogs, dude, and I wake up and I'm like, shit, and I've been studying

about lying to yourself that when you tell yourself you're going to do something and you

don't do it, your body then starts to know that you don't mean what you say.

So now when you tell your body to do something, your body looks like you ain't never meant

what you said to me.

Right.

You've never followed through.

What do you think I'm going to run?

Because you tell me to run, dude, you lie to me all the time.

And I was in that concept and I came out that morning dressed up for my stuff and I was

like, man, that rain's pretty hard in my family.

And this wasn't them being a lack of support, Joe.

This was just, I think this was me lying to them for so many years.

You know that they wanted to save me my shame again and my embarrassment.

And they go, it's okay, I think my wife's like, it's okay, papa.

My daughter was like, just wait to the rank, which I do it on the treadmill or something.

But in my mind, I was like, no, I'm going outside, you know?

And I was like, I'm done lying to y'all and I'm done lying to me.

I told y'all I was going to go do this walk and I'm going to do this walk.

I didn't want to get you most of this early.

But I'm good.

This is nothing wrong with the motions, brother.

I'm coming.

I'm coming back from that walk and I'm coming up my driveway.

It's up a big hill.

I'm bringing a camel to it's a huge hill and I'm coming up the driveway to the hill and

all my families out there.

Jeremy on, clapping hands up.

I've done nothing but a lot of them for years about this weight.

I had done nothing.

I had never proved to them that I was going to change that I'd be a man in my word in

any regard.

They had every reason not to go out there and cheer me on.

And that was like, big moment, that was the moment, you know, where I was like, damn.

And I realized that in addiction, that in addiction, the family will kind of cater to the addict.

It's nature.

You know, like if somebody in your family with a drug addict, you would help with their

kids or you would, you would, you would feel a need to help in their absence.

It's what we do as a family, it's human nature.

And I realized in how much my addiction had been hurting his family, you know, how much

that my sex life with my wife was horrible.

Dude, I married a fucking big, titty, blonde, beautiful woman dog.

You know what I mean?

Like, I married the kind of woman that makes you smile when you're crying, you know?

And I couldn't, I couldn't even get a rouse.

I was so big.

I mean, I was having to play, I was having to play Twister to have sex.

Left foot here, right foot in the ax, you know, are we in there yet?

Tell me if you feel something.

I mean, it was bad.

You know, my daughter, I think about my son, you know, my brother would have to go

throw football with him.

I was too big to throw to football.

And I was like, these, that's what my addiction has done to these people.

And here they are cheering for me.

Oh dude, we're turning up, we're like, we're, we're, we're going to fear this out.

So then I knew it was a mental thing.

And I read a book called The Fox, The Horse, The Mole and Boy.

You ever heard of this book?

No.

It's a children's book.

I mean, if you don't mind pulling it up because it's just, it's just, it's, somebody

kind of recreated Winnie the Pooh.

But for my archaea, you know, and it was a children's book.

And I opened it up and it has a moment where it goes, yeah, the, the boy, the fox and the

m...

Oh, I have seen this.

Yeah.

You want to talk about a seven minute read that will change your life.

But there's a quote in there that goes, I forgot about the mole, but the, the fox or something

looks at the horse and goes, what's the hardest thing you've ever done in your life?

And the horse goes, ask for help.

Yeah.

It's just all these like really cool little things.

But when he said ask for help, I was like, wow, I need to ask for help.

It's like whenever I was addicted to drugs and I had to walk in that room for the first

time and go, I don't have control.

So I called a company called OnSight that does therapy.

And I went and spent two weeks with a lady named Mary B. who wrote the curriculum for food

addiction in the world.

Like she is an 80 something year old woman with glasses, sweet soul of a woman.

And we locked in the cabin.

And she said, we're going to figure out what this is.

And I spent, I think maybe two or three weeks in this cabin with this sweet old woman.

And it was like no phone out in the woods, I walked every day, I played with the horses.

I mean, I just went late and grass.

And it really took me all the way back through all my years.

And it was the first time that I didn't just try to rush to lose the weight.

I tried to figure out why I was carrying the weight.

You know, and that's whenever I figured out that, that overeating for me wasn't a failure

of a discipline.

I'm a pretty disciplined guy.

It was just a biological thing I hadn't learned how to interrupt.

I've been doing it my whole life.

It had been my constant go to for stress.

It had been, it was everywhere all the time.

I was eating for, I had to start figuring out what I was actually hungry for.

You know, like when we talk about obesity Joe, there's groups like if you're three hundred

and forty pounds here, three hundred and thirty pounds here, you know, that's pot, depending

on your height, of course, you might be dealing with a discipline issue.

Maybe just like extra food, we could make small changes and get that off.

You start getting over three hundred three twenty.

You start, that starts being morbid obesity.

Like there starts to be a real thing there, you know.

And I'm seeing it more now because I talked to tens, twenties of guys that are over five

hundred pounds that have reached out to me like, please, what is this magic Yoda?

You know what I mean?

I'm like, I'm like, consistency is the magic.

But one, once I realized why I was eating eighty, eighty, here's the note I took from therapy.

I took, I had my wife translate all my notes from when I was out there.

And it goes change, first of all, you change the way you think and talk.

But because eighty to ninety percent of compulsive eating happens between the ears, not the teeth.

So the average obese person is that big and I learned this from her is that they're only

eating twenty percent of what they're thinking about eating.

This is an all day loop that's in your head, it's like a drug addiction.

You know, I used to walk in, I mean, a shoulder laughed about this.

I used to walk in rooms and scan, like I would walk in a room like the predator.

Like I would, I would do one thing like the terminator and be able to look you and I would

be like, there's a bottle of schnickers on that counter, there's two M&M's over here.

They have some lace potato chips over there.

Like I knew my way.

It was mostly sugar.

All sugar.

I mean, you were talking about, dude, sugar.

What process food?

I didn't, you know, they said, so here it was like, you know, on a keto diet or a whole

food diet at first.

And I was like, I don't think I eat whole foods now at all anyway.

So I think I just eat processed foods with maybe protein in it.

You know, I mean, I don't, I do to have an ate a piece of bread except for Thanksgiving

in two years.

Joe, I was color blind.

We talked about this.

Yeah.

I was a crazy store.

This is a true store.

I, my wife will tell you, this is, she, I have to about it now, but I couldn't see, I

seen shades of colors.

Like I general concepts, but like hunter green and more green.

Like what, green's green to me.

I never realized there was nuances and prettiness and that summer brighter and tone different.

I just seen them like shades.

So bad that like, that's why I wore black.

Johnny Cash was a lot of it, but too, you know, I always have to ask people to buy shoes

match.

You know, I was always off dude, I'd say nine months into no sugar.

I started, I think I forgot what it was, but it was a plant at our house.

And I come outside and I grab my wife and I go, dude, how long have we had that pretty

purple tulip there or whatever it was?

And she goes, what?

I was like, that is the prettiest purple plant I've ever seen.

She was like, you've walked by that plant for two years.

What are you talking about?

I was like, there's no way we've had a plant that pretty.

I didn't notice it for two years.

It was bright purple, Joe.

I mean, it was screaming holy row purple.

And slowly I started looking around the next few days and over the next months, I was

like, I'm seeing clear color.

I couldn't quit talking about it.

I bought color in books.

My wife was laughing.

This bitch used to have to give me a tie to match to go to court.

You know what I'm saying?

And I'm in there coloring.

You know what I'm saying?

She's like, what are you doing?

I was like, you want to color?

And I do, I've got like 300 color in pencil sets.

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Yeah, it was I'd never planned on living Joe like ever like it was never in my plan like

of life, even as I was getting successful, I was like coming out here and like life was

getting good for me.

And in my mind, I was like, okay, good.

When I die, at least my kids might be okay and they won't be ashamed of me.

Wow.

That's how I was thinking Joe.

I was literally thinking that way in my mind, I was just pushing like if I could just

get this machine down a little bit, my kids won't be ashamed of me.

They won't have to be the dad, at least their daddy died of obesity because he had mental

health issues.

But he was a cool fucking dude, man, that did some cool stuff, you know, and it was like,

I never would have thought I could cap this kind of life.

I never thought I could even, even when I sat here and talked to you before in my mind,

I was thinking, man, I probably never see Joe again.

Just think, you know, it'll probably go any day for me.

You know what I mean?

Like my heart could quit any day.

I could relapse and overdose.

I'm not thinking right most of the time.

You know, to like sit here and look at you now like dog, I'm going to be a 70 year old

man with you, Bubba.

You know what I'm saying?

Like dog.

You know what I'm saying?

Like it's going to be cool.

You was talking about my, you mind if I run through these first days?

Yeah, please.

Well, let me, let me preface this.

So because I want to talk about the labs, you were talking about my inflammation.

But I got with Gary Brecken, I did a blood test, and this is something else I encourage

big people to do.

And your basic provider will pay for it more often than not.

If you have just like a standard insurance, just tell them you want to run it, just standard

blood lab.

But tell them instead of just your A1C, this is important.

You want to see your insulin level.

Because I was diabetic, but I wasn't insulin resistant.

So my diabetic marker when I first got checked was a 6 point, my A1C was a 6.4, okay?

Which is the threshold of what being a diabetic is, the pre-diabetic, the last point of being

a pre-diabetic 6.4.

And I thought that when your blood work says you're a pre-diabetic for 15 years, there's

whatever.

You know what I mean?

Like, it's not going to kill me or nothing.

I've had, yeah, it's what it said last time, I'm fine.

And then finally, they checked for my insulin.

It was over 40, Joe.

It was like insane.

And I don't want to get this.

What's it supposed to be?

It's like under five.

Oh, Jesus.

Yeah.

So what happens is when your body goes to burn, when you fast, it has to burn through all

your insulin before it'll start burning through your reserved fat.

So when you're at that high of an insulin level in your blood, you're having a fast.

So you're hardly ever getting to the Resort Fat Burnage because it's just constant insulin.

So, and this is where Joe, one piece come in.

It's been a great time to talk about this.

So Gary goes, "Hey, man, your insulin's high.

We'll just give you a shot."

And this will change all this.

And I was like, "Cool.

Send it.

Whatever I'll try it."

And then my wife's manager, Mimi, started the shot, did wonders for her.

And she had the worst stomach issues.

I have a bad stomach.

I started calling people and going, "Hey, man, how's this shot working?"

And I was like, "Do we're losing weight?

Food noise is gone.

You got to try it."

I was like, "What's the side effect?"

I was like, "One bad side effect.

It tears your gut up."

And I was, I had a, so I had bad reflux.

I mean, you know, that's the worst thing a singer can have.

Nothing is worse for us than reflux.

So I got scared of it.

So I called Gary and I was like, "Gary, I can't do it.

I'm afraid of it."

So then I started doing research and I was like, "Well, if I'm not going to do this, I'm

going to have to fast get my insulin levels down a lot."

So I was fast and I was losing, like, next to no weight.

And I was doing the right thing.

And as a big dude, that's the most encouraging thing, this urgent thing, is when you're actually

not lying to people, because you know, as a fat person, I'm programmed to lie like a

drug addict like, "What did you eat today?

Oh, grilled chicken and salads."

And I just ate seven Snickers, you know?

So I was like, "All right, brush it off like a big thing.

My nutritionists would come in and be like, "Did you eat something last night after

I left?" I'd be like, "Yeah, yeah, I just ate a little bit.

Not bad, just a little bit.

A little bit bad."

But I wouldn't quantify what a little bit bad was, it was like, you know, it's like, so

I was just, you know, I wanted to start being way, way more honest about everything in

the process.

And that was probably the biggest thing.

So I would not lose the weight and I'm like, "I promise you Ian, I didn't eat nothing

but what you had in me, bubble."

He's like, "Just stick with it.

I just stayed with it, stayed with it."

And then Gary got turned into Gary Brecken, took over the world and I was lucky for me.

I bumped into your friend, a guy named Brigham down here in Texas.

And he introduced me.

You've met Denise, right?

I mean, sure.

I love her.

This lady's the lady who really, Gary started this journey for me and I'll never be able

to think of enough for it, but she brought it home.

And Gary probably would have, but she had a brick and mortar and was just easier to get

to, Gary travels the world.

And I go to her and she goes, she runs my blood again.

And my insulin got down to like 37 by fasting.

And she goes, "You're against the G01Ps, aren't you?"

I was like, "Well, I made it this far and I don't want to do it with an asterisk now.

Now it's just stubbornness."

At first it started out of a fear, now I'm just fucking stubborn, you know?

And this is where I don't want to hide anything that I did, because I think it'll help people.

She said there's an alternative.

She said, "If you took a fourth of a dose of metformin, which is 2,000 milligrams, what

they would prescribe a diabetic one, let's say we give you 500 milligrams, which is a

real low dose once a day, until we just see this marker go down."

She said, "It might take a year because we're not trying to rush it and throw a bunch

of G01s at it.

We're just going to do this really slow."

And that's what we did.

And the first month I listened to her and I was losing, you know, I think I looked at

the Ian's notes today.

We were losing like, you know, four to six pounds a month, then it got up to that 12

and 13.

That number we were looking for.

You know what I mean?

What we expect from a guy in my size.

But it was just that easy.

Now my insulin.

So I said all that to give you this.

Oh, I'm so excited about this, Joe.

My insulin was over 40.

My insulin two weeks ago, it weighs the well with Dr. Denise was 4.6.

My A1C was crazy, right?

And that was just, we've only been on the med form for a year in November.

So I think we're going to come off of it now.

A1C was 6.4.

It's now 5.4, which that marker is a three month average of your blood sugar, like that's

a real number to move that much.

I know it doesn't seem like a big number in a year, but that's like crazy.

My C-reactive was like in the sixes, and it's 1.2 now, that's an inflammation marker.

Vitamin D, while I was getting sick all the time, was a 28, vitamin D's at 100.

This was the big one, too.

And this is where you say, are you natty?

I say no, sir.

Absolutely not.

I'm a 40-year-old male.

There's no way I was going to be natty.

My testosterone was one of a prejuvenous child when you're that big.

It was in the like the 50s, and you know, it should be in like the 750s.

My free test was 2.3 Joe Rogan.

My free test.

You know what it is today?

149.

I fucking, you remember that problem we talked about in my wife?

Yeah.

Not anymore.

I'm walking around the house like a tiger.

I'm throwing over my shoulder like a caveman and throwing her on the bed every time

I see her.

You know what I'm saying?

It is awesome.

And it's shaped, these were, and I encourage people to like, if you can get your blood

checked, there might be something there.

You know what I mean?

It might not be something big.

You know, I still could have lost the weight without the med forming, but it might have

took another year.

You know what I mean?

If I would have just had to keep nicking it down a pound a week because I was just having

to get that insulin down so slowly.

And that helped a ton in the test, of course, helped bring, because my estrogen was so high,

my test was so low, finally got the estrogen down in the test up, so the fat starts burning.

I'd done the mental work.

I'd started really figuring out like why I was eating the way I was eating because once

I recognized a pattern, my three R's changed it for me, it was reset, reconnect, re-engage.

So every time I would go into my pantry to eat something, because I'm a binge eater,

I'd stop, my therapist taught me this, that on site, I'd stop and I'd reset, so I'd

step out.

First thing, get out of the pantry.

I have no business in here, bad place for me.

Go somewhere I'm safe where I can connect, near my wife or somewhere safe, reconnect.

What was you in a pantry for?

What version of you?

What storyline of yours walked in that pantry?

Was it 15-year-old Jillie that thought he was a gang banger and thought he was a thug that

was just trying to be cool?

There was actually a sad little boy that couldn't connect with people?

Is that the boy that just walked in there and tried to eat some cookies?

Or is this a 39-year-old man that's stressed from work?

But I tell you what you're not in there eating the cookies for is because you need them.

You just ate a great meal.

You feel fucking awesome.

You know what I'm saying?

Like there's nothing about that cookie that's good for you.

And also Jason, you're not a one cookie kind of guy.

You know what I'm saying?

You're gonna go eat the bag of cookies, you know?

And then I reconnect, then I reengage.

Because sometimes you go through all that and you go, you know what, though, I was thinking

in there, but I do need to go grab the salt.

He's going there and grab the salt and get out.

But where I'm so programmed, it's back to old storylines, I've been going into the pantry

to eat bad for so many years, I'll walk in there and forget what I'm in there for.

I have to, because if I sit there long enough, then it's like, oh, there's some stuff

that you can eat that does nothing.

If you just want a munch on something, man, get some celery and some radishes.

Those motherfuckers have like zero calories.

Rasberries and blueberries were a big one for me.

They don't have zero calories.

They have calories.

But you could eat Mike.

That's actually good for you.

Oh, fucking of them.

Yeah.

Before you get into the hundreds of calories.

If you want to have some like raspberries with some salt on them or not some raspberries

rather, some radishes with some salt on them and some celery, there's nothing in that.

You just eat it and you don't have to worry at all.

You're just getting some fiber and some nutrients.

Pickles?

Pickles are great.

Pickles are another one I'd get out to early.

If you get good fermented pickles, they're actually good for your gut.

Yeah.

I did all the cheats early.

When I say cheats, I was hungry, so I go to my nutritionist and go, "Hey, man, just

feed me whatever looks like the most food.

Fluff it up."

You know what I mean?

I want a big serving of food because it's my thing.

The cool thing is now I'm in a place where I'm looking for density.

My relationships change that much with food.

Now I'm looking like, "Yo, do I have to eat this?

Is there enough protein in this or can I only eat half of it?"

Not because I have the weird relationship with food other ways.

Now I'm just really feeding myself for what I need.

Right.

You know what I mean?

I'm actually have a healthy relationship with food now, Joe, like I look at it and it's

not unhealthy in a way that was like, "If you cook the big steak right now, you won't

want it?"

I'd be like, "Yeah, absolutely.

I don't want to miss a bulk steak with Joe.

I'm down."

I'm not weird.

If we went to dinner, I'd eat.

You know what I mean?

I just wouldn't eat bread.

It's just certain things.

I have an app.

It's like a drug addict thing for me.

It's like, "There's just certain things I just can't do no matter what."

Yeah.

The bread is the one.

The bread and pasta are the one.

Why does it have to be the ones that are so goddamn delicious?

All the good, you know what I mean?

Oh, the good.

So delicious.

But I learned how to make all the good stuff better, by the way, like not better, but

Larios is really, so a lot of my weight loss has come from, like, I used to always hear

you say that you got into podcasts and then talking to people about stuff you were just

interested in.

Like conversations you just thought were cool.

And then I thought about, "That's like the approach to life."

You know what I mean?

It's like, "Get, like, dig it, do it."

Right.

You know, if I had to draw inspiration from there.

So I was watching...

That's a great dig it, do it.

If you dig it, do it.

Yeah.

You know, dig it, do it.

And I was watching UFC One Night, which I'm a fan to.

And I was, this was six years ago, and I was like, "I wonder who's helping these guys

get on the scale."

You know what I mean?

I was like, "Most of these fighters are poor, not in a bad way."

You know, they're coming up.

That's right.

I bet I could pay equal pay.

This was six years ago.

I was like, "I wonder who it is."

And I got introduced to George Lockhart.

Okay.

You know what I mean?

Which famously, him and Mike Doachie, I think, are kind of both famously known for the

guys who created the weight cutting protocol of today.

You know?

And I call him.

He's in Georgia for the holidays.

He drives up to Tennessee.

See me?

We ended up hanging out.

George and my buddy said his day.

And you know, George is like, "Let me find you a guy."

And that's how he found me, Ian LaRios, who just came in to do nutritionist.

He did a bunch of bully bees camps, but he's been with me.

People say I had somebody tell me this, Johnny said, "Well, of course you lost the weight.

It's easy.

You get money."

You know what I mean?

I was like, "Buddy, money can't make you run these six miles."

No.

Everybody who says that is just making an excuse for why they haven't done it themselves.

You can't never say, "Of course you did it.

You have this."

Just fucking do it.

Just go do it.

Just do it.

It's going to be hard, and especially if your hormones are all fucked up and your insulin

levels are all fucked up, it's going to be hard.

But you can do it.

Well, the biggest thing, too, is stick with it, Joe.

Yes.

That's my heart, y'all.

It's like, that's why I said, give yourself one year, not three months, because if I

gave myself three months, I'd have been upset.

I didn't lose enough weight.

It didn't go the way it's supposed to go.

I went back into my shame spiral.

We were talking about this.

My whole thing was stress, overwhelmed food, shame, repeat.

That's what I did.

I lived in that spiral.

You know what I mean?

And it's like, "Oh, I've been working hard.

I'm not getting it sad.

Me, I'm going to go to the pantry and punish myself.

I'm never going to lose this weight," where it's like, "If I just waited for the year and

really said, "No, I'm going to go birthday to birthday," which is why when me and Cam ran

on this birthday of mine, it was so important to me because I was like, two birthdays ago

was the first day I even thought about changing my life.

And even last birthday, I was 480 pounds.

Now this birthday, I'm running a 5K with Cam Haines.

You know what I'm saying, dude, y'all can change it.

If you hated your birthday this year, just give yourself a year.

You know what I mean?

You have a whole different birthday.

It's hard for people because they want immediate gratification.

You know, they really wanted all to happen immediately, especially in this society that

we exist in today, where everything, I mean, this is why GLP ones are so enticing for

people because you can get immediate gratification.

You know, and sometimes you got to just, you got to focus on little victories.

These little tiny victories today, I didn't eat cake.

That's a little victory, you know?

And momentum is everything.

It's like that first day when your family was cheering you.

That's what it's all about.

It's all about you did it.

You went out in the rain when you didn't want to.

You did it.

You came back.

Now you've got momentum.

You have that good feeling of success and that will enable you to continue to chase that

good feeling.

That's the good, that's the good addiction.

Right.

And it's really addicted to exercise.

If I take a couple of days off, I don't feel right.

If I take a day off, I feel weird.

I feel squirrely.

Like I got all this extra fucking weird shit.

Leave me alone.

You know what I mean?

I get weird off.

I get weird, man.

I get weird.

I feel weird.

If I don't do it.

And I know people like, that's horrible.

Something wrong with you.

Sure.

Right.

But it's a good thing wrong with me.

I'm addicted to a good thing.

Right.

I'm addicted to staying healthy.

Yeah.

And they say addicts, addiction swap.

Oh yeah.

Yeah, I've never had a bad addiction, fortunately.

But I've had a bunch of addictions.

You know, I've had like video game addictions, I'm addicted to playing pool, I was addicted

to martial arts.

But I've been addicted to like things that are beneficial, luckily, luckily.

But I'm scared of all the other ones.

I know that, I know it's the same thing.

How much of that do you think has played a part in your environment and friend group?

It's huge, huge, because if you can get around a bunch of other people that are addicted

to good things, then you're all just doing good things and you're all feeding off of each

other.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's, it's everything, man.

You imitate your atmosphere, always.

This is why I can't be around negative people.

I just, I'm too sensitive.

And I'm around negative people.

First I try to help them, then I try to coach them, then I try to like, like, see the world

through their eyes.

And then I'm reacting to them and then I'm like, fuck, man, you're not helping me, I'm

not helping you.

Right.

You're just dragging me into your vibration and I don't like it.

And if you don't want to change, there's not much I can do with this.

And so I got to just ghost you.

I got to separate because if you save a drowning man, you know, sometimes you can drown

yourself.

Right.

You know, and there's a lot of people out there that have wasted years and years of

their life in toxic friendships, you know, with negative people, that's what made me

bring it up.

Easy to do, man.

It's not, it's not a mark on your character.

It's a normal thing that people do.

And when you're around a bunch of people that are positive and that are inspirational, then

all of a sudden you're circling yourself accountable, like, you know, what would David

Goggins do?

Right.

Yeah.

What would Cam Haines do?

Yeah.

And then that, that's a good thing.

What would Rogan do?

Yeah.

You know, like when we give you compliments, but we think about it.

Yeah.

I said that because like, I wondered if that was for you because the biggest thing too,

my note here is new playground, new playmates, you can't heal in the environment that hurts

you.

Yeah.

You know, and it's like I started praying for new friends five years ago, like on

my knees to God directly, like God, I've done everything I can for every friend I brought

with me along the way.

Everybody who came with me, can't go with me.

Everybody's not growing at the rate.

I'm growing.

Right.

I need new friends.

I'm hanging around, you know, when I was cheating on my wife, I was hanging around people

that were cheating on their wives when I was drinking tons of alcohol and doing tons

of cocaine.

I was hanging around people doing tons of alcohol and tons of cocaine.

Yeah.

So I'm like, I don't, I want to be in, I want to change, like send me some friends, send

me, just send me some new interests.

And then I'd start bumping into, you know, I guess six, seven, whatever it was years ago,

guys like Cam Haines, guys like Goggins.

And I didn't realize it then when they came into my universe, it was just from a distance

in our YouTube channel.

Like, oh, this dude's fucking nuts.

Who's this guy screaming at the camera running all these mouths?

You know, who is this guy that won't quit his job?

It's just like the greatest bow hunter ever and runs ultra-marathons and like, it's refusing

to quit his job.

The internet's like campaign and quit your job, Cam.

You know what I'm saying?

I was like, who are these guys?

These guys are awesome, you know?

And even then my, and that's where the little scared kid of me comes out, like, oh man,

but you know, you can't do that, dude.

You know how far you are away from even like being able to talk to a guy like that or

being able to run or like, you're just too far, you know, even down a bow hunting.

I'm a felon, so I'm not allowed to possess a fire arm or be within a thousand feet

of one knowingly.

So I've never been able to hunt, you know?

Well, I didn't think about the loophole, y'all know it, the bow, the bow hunt, you know,

but also then your 500 pounds was like, I'm really gonna bow hunt, you know what I mean?

But it was new playgrounds, new playmates, you know what I mean?

And I started really believing that and like, just finding that my uncle always said, you

hang around nine, you'll be the 10th.

So just look at the nine closest to you.

And even if it wasn't a friend's at first, it was just me being inspired by different stuff.

Back to digging it, do it.

You know what I mean?

Like dig it, do it.

And I got into this, I was into, I signed up for the Two Bears 5K because Bert was my

friend and I thought their podcast was funny.

I never even met Tom.

You know what I mean?

Crazy.

I was like, this is a cool way to do it.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, I'm on the internet 500 pounds waddling down a back road going up, going to my first

5K me, everybody.

You know what I'm saying?

And it's like, it just, and I'm like, I'm ready and I call Cam because we're friends

by the end.

And I'm all excited for 70 walking my first two miles, a mile that day or whatever it

would.

I ran a whole walk the whole mile called Cam doing a 5K, Cam, Cam, I'm gonna come

support you and Cam and Philip, frankly, walked that 5K with me.

It took us an hour and a half, Joe.

I mean, listen, I'm surprised Cam, Cam could have rolled faster.

He could have crawled.

You know what I'm saying?

We watched both of his kids run by us three times and jeans, you know what I'm saying?

And uh, but that's like, it goes back to changing your friends.

Like, it was a guy that wanted to lift me up, a guy that Cam used to tap me on a shoulder

when I was 500 pounds and go, dude, we're going to bow hunt one day.

I'm going to take you bow hunt, dude.

And I would remember thinking, it's motherfuckers crazy.

You know what I'm saying, like, there's no way beyond this dude or ever bow hunt, you

know?

And uh, we're bow hunting, you know, we just came out of a blind this morning.

We've been, I've been down there bow hunting with Cam, ran my first 10K with him yesterday,

but it was, it was completely the, the new playground, new playmates thing for you.

Yeah.

You know, yeah, it's fuel.

If you can get around people that are real positive and they're doing good things and

they're excited about life, it's very contagious.

Yeah, it is.

I think that's one of the really positive things about the internet that you can be introduced

to the way these people live their lives and you can see videos on them.

You can hear them talk on podcasts and you can realize that people like this exist and

then try to find them, you know, try to find people like that and try to become like them.

You can, you can, you can assume those positive attributes and you can, you can incorporate

them into your life.

It's completely possible.

Sure.

And it's real.

I mean, I did it.

I am an, somebody is listening to this right now and it's crazy, this is going to sound.

I was you eight years ago.

I was listening to the Joe Rogan podcast.

It was the beginning of me starting to be like, what I put in my body comes out.

What I eat, I shit, what I drink, I piss, what I hear.

I believe.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then I realized I was listening to a bunch of true crime, a bunch of negative stuff

on my phone all the time.

I was watching fist fights at bars like this was my algorithm.

You know what I'm saying, you know what I mean?

My algorithm was just completely fucked.

Yeah.

So it's like, okay, I need to start changing my, I need to find cooler stuff to put into

my algorithm, things, more knowledge, learning stuff.

Tell me, what have you done with the phone thing?

So the phone thing is interesting, it's been real interesting.

I got one now, I got one, two months ago, I took a year, it's a part of the weight loss,

I took a year off of a phone completely, well, you know, I used to get drunk and get my

number to everybody to borrow.

So I would wake up after an award show and have like, three thousand unread text messages

of people like, congratulations, and I was just like, oh God, I was missing like big messages,

you know?

Yeah, that's a problem with me.

Yeah.

I got that problem.

Yeah, I could imagine where you look back and you're like, the president texts me, not

me, but I bet that's happening where you're like, I'm just an entire text from somebody

of that stature, you know, and you're like, dude, this is crazy.

And I was like, I don't, I think that I was using it as another way not to connect.

I have an avoidant personality like, I'll isolate, or I can do it just right in a room full

of people if I hop on the phone.

And I was just like, man, I want to be more present, you know?

I remember sitting doing stuff with my son and daughter and I was like scrolling Instagram

once again, watching barfights, you know, nothing, nothing that was helping.

You know what I mean?

I was like, I'm just, I'm just like completely disconnect.

It's another addiction.

It's another, yeah.

And with my personality, I got to watch those.

So I got a phone two months ago and I just didn't put social media on it.

Yeah.

I have YouTube because that's my app.

And I'll trust, you know, YouTube is where I get good stuff.

It doesn't give me 60 seconds burst of shit I don't need.

It gives me long form of good stuff.

You know what I mean?

I find channels that I like really dig.

And it's like back to new playground, new playmates, I never, I know I'm super late to

the party.

Never heard of the outdoor boys until last year.

Okay.

Whoa.

I've been missing a whole new thing alive.

You know what I mean?

He's back, right?

He's doing it again.

He's back-ish.

Yeah.

He took some time off, right?

Yeah.

I think he felt like the overwhelming.

Yeah.

That's of his channel got too crazy and he didn't enjoy the pressure.

You know what I think he was doing?

This is, you want to speculate a little bit together about this?

I think he was doing the coolest dad thing ever because he goes on air and goes look this

has been a little overwhelmed for me and my family and my wife are out of this.

And frankly, I got two boys that want to be YouTubers themselves.

So I think I'm just going to help them.

And I follow his son's channel.

His son's got 3,000 subscribers.

He camps by himself like his dad did.

He's 12 years old doing solo camp at church, dude his name's outdoor Tom.

So it's like, and he's been posting and his dad's on his channel.

So I think the dad just built his channel got big and was like, dude, I think I'm just

going to leave this legacy for the boys, man.

I'll just help them out.

But he's kind of been poking his nose back around here and there and he helped his friend

out that had cancer.

I thought that was the coolest thing.

Yeah.

What was the name of that channel, James?

I don't want to blow this.

They deserve a shout out because that was really cool.

My life outdoors.

My life outdoors.

And so that was a recent video that they made.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's a very interesting guy.

You know?

I wish he'd come talk to you.

I would, if he was interested, I definitely have him on.

I really have, I watch a lot of those shows.

That's one of a part of my YouTube algorithm is dudes who go out into the woods by themselves.

This is my new algorithm.

See, this is me trying to change my playground because this is all back in into shape, Joe.

Like now I don't look at that as an unachievable task.

I look at that like next winter, me and Cameron are going to go hunt somewhere that we're

going to take a fucking tent.

You know what I'm saying?

We're going to go out there and get laws in the woods.

Camp on your back.

I can do it, dude.

I think I'm going to be in shape enough to do it.

You know?

You're probably in shape enough to do it right now.

I'm only going to get better today.

Yeah.

No.

I mean, I watched you on the treadmill today, man.

You're in shape to do it right now.

Thank you.

Yeah.

You could do it.

It's a, that's a beautiful thing, man.

It's a really beautiful thing.

And just to be out in the woods like that is, it's a, I think it's a form of vitamin that

people haven't recognized yet.

It's medicine.

Yeah.

There's something to it.

Stokey and new AG, but I'm telling you, man.

If I don't get my time in in the woods, at least a couple times a year and I really want

to do it a way more often.

I just can't.

I'm just too busy.

But it's, it empties all the bullshit out of my life.

The mountains don't give a fuck what's going on in your life or how many likes your last

fucking social media post god or who's upset at you that they don't care.

You know?

The mountains or the mountains, those animals don't give a fuck if you just won the Grammy,

you know, they don't give a shit.

Oh, jelly rolls here.

Let me go for my bread rolls.

No sir, not the case at all.

There's no charisma out there.

There's no cult of personality.

There's no, it's all, it's just wild and it's beautiful.

You always been outdoors, man?

No.

I used to fish when I was a kid.

I used to really love fishing.

And you know, then I got away from all of it for a long time until Rinella took me

hunting and that's when I got that mule deer, that one that's sitting on the table right

there.

That was the first animal ever shot.

A bow or rifle?

Rifle.

That was a rifle.

And then Cam took me on my first hunt with a bow, I got a black bear.

That was your first time as a bear?

Yeah.

God.

I'm trying to give him to take me one of those in May.

It's good.

And I want to do it out next year.

Bear is a good one because first of all, it's scary, you know, which I think is good.

And, dude, that's fun to say about eating a bear that's just wild.

They're kind of fatty, right?

Feels crazy.

Yeah.

Well, not that bad.

I mean, they definitely have a lot of fat on them.

They taste good.

They taste, that's a big misconception.

I mean, I'm never eating a grizzly bear, which I've heard are pretty rough.

But my friend, Ryan Callahan, just shot a grizzly bear and he says it's delicious.

I think the thing about a bear that's a little daunting for a lot of people is trickin'

oasis.

And you have to cook a bear like a hundred and I think that I think the number is 160.

I think that's what it is where you, you know, you've got to make sure that that meat

is 160 degrees, you know, so you don't get any parasites because trickin' oasis is rough.

God, I can't believe your first bow hunt was a bear.

I'm on my first bow hunt as we speak, and it's for a deer.

And I could definitely, I needed to do this if I'm gonna see a bear.

I am out there, I mean, stomach and heart and stomach and pants.

Well, I think Cam took me bear hunting because in Alberta, the way they do it, they do it

over bait, so they set out oats and they use beaver carcasses and all these different

things, so the animals, and people are like, "Oh, that's cheating."

Listen, there is no other way to find these animals in Alberta.

They're, you're talkin' about dense forest, dense forest, it looks like a box of cute

tips.

Like you can't see shit out there.

You're not gonna find them before they see you coming or hear you coming or smell you

coming.

If you wanna hunt them, you have to use bait or you have to use dogs and, you know, that's

how they used to hunt them in a lot of places.

They used to, you know, tree 'em with dogs and then people would shoot 'em.

And people would be like, "Oh, that's horrible, too, but you have to control their populations.

If you understand wildlife biology and wildlife management, you must control the populations

of predators."

And then, you know, like John and Jen up in Alberta where they took me, they know how to

cook bear.

Like really good.

Jen is an excellent cook and she'll cook a bear roast and she rubs it down and puts it

in a trigger and they'll slow cook it for 12 hours.

Oh, they're spunkin' the bear?

Was it the bear you killed?

You could eat that one?

Well, we definitely ate some of that, too.

And there's another thing that Ranela taught me called bear candy, which was great.

It's like, basically like, it's like Chinese food, like sweet and sour bear.

Wow.

It was really good.

Yeah.

And then Cam brought over some bear sticks.

He got some meat sticks made at this one butcher that he goes to, this one meat processing

place.

But you bear as the misconception is that bear tastes bad.

It does not taste bad.

It tastes like beef.

It tastes like a weird beefy kind of animal.

You know, here's a weird fun fact.

When settlers or the pioneers first were making their way across North America, they didn't

eat deer.

They were eating bear.

And they were using deer for skins.

So a deer skin was worth $1.

And that's where the term "buck" come from.

No fucking way.

Yes.

The term "buck" comes from the price of a deer skin.

No, you were just throwing the meat away.

Exactly.

Wow.

How long ago was this?

This 1700s.

Okay.

1800s.

They didn't know any but.

Wow.

Not only that, you know all those buffalo that people shout like buffalo is like very expensive

meat.

It's delicious.

It's fantastic.

I think it's a period of beef.

They didn't eat the beef.

They didn't eat the buffalo.

Wow.

They were eating their tongues.

They were killing them initially for their tongues and then they would pickle the tongues

and send them to New York.

And people in New York were eating pickled buffalo tongues.

Wow.

The way thousands of pounds of buffalo, good buffalo meat.

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

Got thousands of pounds.

And then they started using their skins.

So buffalo hides became valuable.

But it wasn't the meat that they were after.

Which is crazy.

Because they basically almost made them extinct.

Right.

They came like within a hair's breath of making bison extinct in North America.

Yeah.

Just by giving away tongues.

Well, also because they opened it up to the market.

So market hunting was a giant problem with wildlife in North America.

So what that means is they didn't have refrigeration back then.

Right.

So you needed a constant supply of meat.

And you know, you could salt things down and transport them that way.

And there's a bunch of different ways to avoid the breakdown of bacteria.

But essentially, you couldn't, there was no fucking freezers.

You know.

And so market hunting almost wiped out all the white tail.

It removed elk from most states.

You know, the states that are in, that have elk, wild elk right now are a tiny handful

of the states that used to have elk in like the 1600s, the 1700s.

It's all the settlers came from, you know, wherever and they shot them all.

Wow.

And they shot them all and brought them all to market.

You know, that was a lot of it.

And so then they made market hunting illegal.

And then, you know, they designated areas, public land.

And you know, this is the Teddy Roosevelt thing and what they did was really an amazing,

but what they did, an amazing example of conservation in North America that really doesn't exist

anywhere else is our wildlife management and also our natural resources, public land management.

So we have public land in North America where you can, you could, you could apply for a tag,

you could get it like we did with that mule deer.

We shot that mule deer in Montana.

We got a tag and we went out into the Missouri breaks.

And then we, you know, found that animal and shot it and ate it and anybody could do that.

It's part of you being an American.

If you, you know, fill out the right paperwork and pay for the tags and all that pays for

the management of this land and for wildlife biologists and park rangers and all those kind

of different people that game wardens that, that help, you know, keep all this stuff managed.

Wow.

See, I didn't even know you could hunt public lands until recently, whenever Cam and then

we're fighting back about the bill that was trying to get rid of some of us.

Yeah, man.

They were trying to sell off some public land into fucking dangerous slippery slope.

Yeah.

And you can't let that happen ever.

It's kind of like freedom of speech, man.

Mm-hmm.

Any infraction of freedom of speech is a complete infraction of freedom of speech, you know?

Yeah.

I mean, it's deteriorating really badly right now in the UK.

I'm loving the outdoors though.

I'm loving learning about it, like even here in Utah, I'm just over here like, yes.

Oh, it's an amazing thing, you know?

I just got my first hunt license yesterday, you know what I'm saying day before yesterday.

So it's a big deal for me.

That's awesome.

I'm having, you want to hear my first big amateur mistake I made?

Sure.

This is a good one.

I told you one of them, but I'll tell you why I didn't take it.

It's way better.

I'll say this one for the air.

Um, we're in there the first night and it's like kind of, it's not nippy, but it's like

when the sun went down, it was cool, but it was still, you know, I was so adrenaline

up.

The first night, a doe comes out, Joe, and I thought I was going to shit myself.

I mean, I had to stand up.

I farted.

My stomach was bad.

It was just so, it was every emotion I didn't think I was going to feel.

And I'm doing it with like the greatest bow hunter ever sit behind me and lucky for us

cams of sweet dude.

So he's just entertained by what he really loves helping people get in the bull hunt.

I, you know, that speaks again to who he is, like to be who you are and that could be

like me loving going and meeting first time songwriters like I've never wrote a song and

maybe like that's my favorite.

Let me sit down and show you how to start.

You know what I mean, which I don't necessarily feel that way to be honest.

So it's like for him to care, but I'm sitting in there and the next morning we go and it's

fucking cold.

And I'm shaking anyways because I, you know, I'm nervous.

And I'm shaking because it's cold.

So when we go back that night, I bring my hoodie in case it gets cold, but I don't put

it on.

And we're sitting there and as soon as the sun goes down a little bit, it gets cold

in that blind bubble.

Yeah.

And I'm sitting there like, well, you're also not moving.

Not moving.

If you're walking around.

No.

That's a different thing.

No, we're just sitting and I'm like, yeah, and I'm like cold cold.

And I don't even think about it and there, now keep in mind, there's two doughs in front

of us and there's a book, maybe 80 yards away.

Cam said this and it's the most gangster thing.

No hunting starts where a rifle and rifle hunting ends.

Bo hunting begins where rifle hunting ends.

The moment you see a buck when you're rifle hunting for those listed that don't know,

you just shoot it.

It's that easy.

You see the buck, you better shoot it right then, as soon as you get a clean shot.

The moment you see the buck when you're bow hunting, that's Operation Chill.

Get 'em as close as you can get 'em and find the right shot.

It's the total opposite of rifle hunting, which I haven't rifle hunting since I was 10

violent offenders.

So I would be pardoned, but I wouldn't be adjudicated.

What's it called when they exonerated?

Exonerated.

I wouldn't be, the charges aren't completely gone.

So what I'd have to do is, and this is my hope, is that my goal in this is that I want

to reach out to legislation eventually and go, hey, if nothing else, I'd like my right

to hunt.

It's done a lot for my mental health.

It's done a lot for my physical health.

It's been a, being a start going on that first bow, these are little markers that I put

on the calendar.

You know, when I'm 400 and something pounds and I'm like, all right, next year Cam said

he's taking me on my bow hunt.

I got to get there.

You know what I mean?

Next year, I'm not going to run that five can an hour and a half.

I'm going to do it in 45 minutes.

You know what I mean?

Like these are those markers.

So I want to go to them and go look, I understand if you've ever raped somebody or killed somebody.

And I think that every, it should, there should be some path to redemption.

Even if it takes 30 years, put something unrealistic up there.

You don't, can't get a speed and take it for 20 years, but like, I think it's important

for people to have a path to redemption.

Yes.

I'm a redemption guy.

And you know, if God didn't just show me so many paths, you know what I mean?

Well, I think it's one of the more beautiful aspects of Christianity that it does offer

you a path to redemption, like a true legitimate path where you can become a different person.

Did it really?

Yeah.

I'm the old person anymore, Joe.

I get it for the public safety aspect of it.

It's hard to know if a person's redeemed themselves.

I get that.

It's hard.

And if you make the wrong decision, man, I couldn't bear the burden of your conscious of that

neither.

But then you do have cases.

And I know I'm not the only one of people who have, like, eaten little things, like,

I mean, outside of hunting, Joe, it's not that I'm a big, you know, I don't have, I just

wish I could protect myself.

Right.

You know what I mean?

It's like, I'm a million dollars plus a year in security.

I'd cut that bill in half tomorrow if I had it right to carry.

Right.

You know what I mean?

For sure.

But at least let me hunt.

I mean, my heart's right.

I just want to feed the family and go out and spend some time with the boys and do some

population control.

We don't kill them dear and Tennessee.

They're taking over anyways.

You know what I'm saying?

It's been a lot down there.

They're not like these monsters down here, but they're everywhere.

Yeah.

Well, that place that you're out is a particularly unique place.

Cactus Jack.

Giant deer.

Dude.

It's called hunt.

Cactus Jack.

I found this out.

Do you remember the old vice president from here was called Cactus Jack?

No.

We looked this up.

Jamie, this is a cool story.

So the vice president, but I think it might have been during Roosevelt's term maybe even

or one of those, maybe Teddy.

But his vice president was a Texas governor or something.

And the guy was famous because he's the one who tried to make the cactus plant, the Texas

state plant.

So they called him Cactus Jack because of that.

And then Cactus Jack.

Yeah.

There it is.

Look at him.

Look at him, dude.

He looks like Cactus Jack.

Yeah.

Jim Nance Garner.

Wow.

He was a lawyer, a long time congressman.

He was the one who tried to make the cactus, the state flower of Texas.

Wow.

Yeah.

Who was the vice president to Roosevelt?

Yeah.

The effort failed in favor of the blue bonnet, but Cactus Jack Moniker stuck with him throughout

his long political career.

Wow.

So when he opened this place, how many years ago, the guy who bought it from him was super

excited.

He told me the story last.

Look at how cute.

That's Cactus Jack.

That's the guy with two pistols.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We could never get away with that right now in politics.

I know, right?

Um, but Cactus Jack, he's, uh, but the ranch is great.

The guy who owns it, Mr. Jerry was telling me the history of it last night.

They kept true Texas deer genetics.

A lot of the Texas ranchers will have import genetics and he was like Cactus Jack was big

about making this a tried and true Texas ranch, and he's, he is dead sent on dying by keeping

it that way.

This guy, Jerry, that owns it.

Well, it's like, especially South Texas hunting white tailed deer is like a religion.

It's a religion.

Yeah.

It's a big thing for those folks.

Big deal.

Big deal.

And to grow big deer down there and to make sure that you manage the genetics correctly,

like you don't shoot any animal that's under like six or seven years old.

And there's a place that I hunt in Utah that does that with elk.

It's like they, a really well managed place does that.

They make sure.

So like there's some places where when they have hunting season, everybody just goes out

into the woods, kids get a day off school and they shoot everything they can, which is

great.

You get meat.

It's great.

But the problem is if you want very impressive animals that are mature, which is also

better for the entire genetics of the herd, because these are the animals that have lived

a full life.

They've spread their genes and then you shoot them at the end, at the end of their life.

So they've had a long, and by the way, when you're getting an animal that's seven, eight,

nine years old, they really don't have much time left.

Well, you know, they were telling you.

You're so right about that.

They were saying some of them, they'll try to wait and let them have another year and

they won't make it anyways.

Yeah, they won't make it through the winter.

Sometimes they just, you know, they just won't make it.

That's it. So they've, yeah, no, they're dead at this guy is doing it.

I mean, obviously, I'm not the case study, cams to talk about it, because I've been on

one hunt.

But the deer, I see all my property back home compared to these deer, these deer would

eat those deer.

You know what I'm saying?

Like these, these, these deer would fuck those deer's in butt.

You know what I'm saying?

It's like it just, it's a totally different thing.

It is a different thing, but that's a very exceptional place.

So I go, I go to put my hoodie on.

That's where I fuck up, Joe.

I'm cold in this fucking blind.

And I could like, I said, cam, hold my boat.

I should have said, cam, can I put my hoodie on because cam would have been like, no, you

know what I'm saying?

But I was like, all right.

And in my mind, so I was going to slide one arm through and I was going to wait 30 seconds

to slide the other arm through because I didn't want to be shaking if I got my shot.

And I seen my buck across the field, right?

But when I put first arm through and I looked up, it was like a movie, Joe.

All three deer in the field went right into my soul and ran away.

And I looked at cam.

I was like, that was me, huh?

He was like, oh, yeah, they don't like that stuff.

I was like, fuck.

You can't.

Never came back.

Never came back.

The sound is like they hear everything like 10 times louder than you do.

Look at their ears.

Their ears rotate and turn and do this.

Those are antennae listening for predators.

So they hear a ruffling of clothes like, what is that shit?

They were like, that's a human.

That's like fucking human.

And when they're down there, that's the main thing.

The main predator.

Yeah.

The main predator is us.

No.

It was amateur hour at the Apollo dude.

At least cam got to who cood out of it.

I learned a big lesson, of course, too, you know what?

Bro, they look at you, too.

When a white tail busts you, they look you like, that's a weird look.

No, it's like, it's almost like, when I say they looked right up at me, Joe.

It was like from feed to eye contact with me.

I was like, oh, fuck.

I know what I'm saying.

I felt like a deer in head lights.

I was like, oh, shit.

He got me.

That's what felt on the rest just so that when the arrow slides, it's not making any

sound.

You got to be real slow and how you draw back.

That's something else.

It's like rifle hunting, which I can't rifle hunt, but we have a bunch of stands on my

property.

And I'll go sit on them just to watch a deer with my little boy.

And you know, that thing will be, there are two football fields away from where the deer

are.

You'll be sitting up there with a heater on, listening to a podcast, smoking a joint.

Watching a deer like about a gun, I'd kill it.

You know what I'm saying?

Right, right.

So I showed up for the day with Kim and I got my little weed pin in my pocket.

As soon as we sat down and I seen a buck from here to a little bit past Jamie from me,

I was like, oh, yeah, we can't smoke it here.

Oh, it's a different thing.

I was like, this is real, dude.

It's a totally different thing.

It's a different fear, too.

Like, you get excited when you see one out of a blind from 100 yards, 200 yards, you

know, 50 yards, 70 yards, but when you see one 20 yard, 30 yards away from you, and

you're sitting there with just a stick with a piece of metal on it, kind of.

You know what I'm saying?

In a string.

Ultimately, you got a glorified that what came right after the slingshot.

Right.

You know what I mean?

And you're like, this is me and this animal right now.

It is the fucking craziest feeling I've ever felt in my life.

Dude, I wrestled at Summerslam.

It felt like that.

It felt like when Logan Paul was going to jump through the table.

It was that feeling the whole time.

Yeah, this is it.

Oh, wow.

That's a big fucking thing.

I mean, really shaken, dude.

That's a big buck.

Oh, dude.

We had so much.

We're having a time line.

I'm having a tiny little hole.

You see what I'm going through here?

Look at him.

But you have a light on your pins.

Do you have a sight light?

No, sir.

Okay.

Are you using a spot hog?

What kind of a sighted, beautiful bird?

Cam set it up for me.

Cam must be a spot.

Is it Wayne?

Is Wayne the name at the Bowwreck?

Yeah, Wayne.

I love you, Wayne.

Shout out to Wayne.

Yeah, you got a spot hog.

Booner.

You're, you're boasting.

I'm just dropping me off kickstand for it, though.

What do y'all call it?

Oh, beautiful archery country.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thank you for that, by the way.

Oh, please.

I love you.

In the stand, I'm having to hold it on my lap.

You know what I mean?

So it'll bring him hit him for me.

And it was like, yo, while we're doing Rogan,

can you just drop off a kickstand for jelly?

Yeah.

Those hoi has it set up so that they're retractable to the way

it's set up.

It's perfect.

You can just set it down.

It's perfect.

I bought 200 a rows.

And I put them 100 on my back porch in a bucket.

And I have like 30 targets in my backyard now.

And I sit at the 100 of them on my farm's back porch

with like 30 targets.

And now I literally wake up, let my dog out,

and just let 100 rip.

First thing in the morning.

Just rip a whole 100 takes you like 45 minutes.

Good exercise.

Oh yeah.

And then I only have to pull them once.

It's also the concentration clears your mind

because it's so hard to do.

They had a target, especially at distance.

You're, when, you know, your whole thing is just,

everything's got to be like coordinated and sink

and on that release and that arrow flies and goes right

into there.

Oh, I love it.

I love it.

You talk about concentration.

It's one of the only things I've ever done

that when I'm standing there, even over a target,

especially over a deer, but even over a target.

And I pull that bow back.

It's like you said about the mountains,

like nothing in the world matters right now.

The world goes away.

I don't hear, I don't even hear my inner monologue.

Yeah.

All I see is that little green pan on that dark.

Fred Bear had a great quote about a troubled mind,

like nothing, nothing clears a troubled mind,

like shooting a bow.

And it's so true.

And it's like, there's something about how difficult it is

that it really requires everything of you.

It requires all of your concentration.

You can't have like distracting thoughts,

like, oh, I forgot to pay that bill.

Oh, I gotta call that guy back.

Oh, I gotta do this.

Oh, I gotta do that.

You can't have anything in there.

And because of that, it's like a moving meditation.

It forces you to be completely present in the moment.

And that cleans the mind out.

If you had about moving meditation,

I was thinking about when you were saying that,

even down to the breathing, like the importance of the...

It's also you're gonna learn how to manage your nerves, right?

So this is a process and it's a journey.

And so along the way, you're gonna have some moments

where a deer comes in or an elk comes in where you're...

You see your body shaking and freaking out?

But then in the future, you're gonna know,

okay, I know when this is coming,

now I know how to stay calm.

And now I see it's coming like, nah, bitch,

we ain't getting there.

We're not going there.

We're staying right here.

I call it going dead.

Like you go dead, like all this anticipation

and what if I miss and what if I do this

and what if he runs and what if he turns?

Nothing, I don't let nothing in.

You don't let nothing in and it just like exists.

Like a cat.

Like you're like a cat, like staring at the thing

you're about to kill, just locked in.

There's no negative at all.

Did you ever let those emotions creep in?

You know, I asked Cam, I'm like,

do you ever check your heart rate when you shoot?

And he's like, yeah, it doesn't even move.

Like yeah, because he knows I had a stay in that moment.

He knows how to stay calm.

Afterwards, it's like, yeah, everybody's great.

Everybody's happy.

And oh my God, look at this.

This is incredible.

It worked out.

What a perfect shot.

I can't wait to feel it.

Yeah.

Can't think about that though.

Can't think about the result.

Never think about the result.

Always think about the process.

I'm always thinking about the process.

I'm having fun with the process here.

The process is amazing.

Cam was saying that I felt so bad.

I looked at Cam and asked the camera.

You're not mad that we sat four times

and I haven't got one yet.

Especially since I fucked it up once.

And twice, I had a pee today.

But we've been in there four hours.

I mean, I was like, Cam.

And both of us are coming over.

Especially if you're staying high.

Yeah, I'm saying high.

I'm like, Cam.

Yeah.

But that guy has amazing patience.

No.

He said he smiled.

He was like, this is what I'm here for, Bubby.

He said, I'm glad you're getting the journey.

And I was like, I think about it came here and just shot one.

It wouldn't have been.

I've sat four times.

I'm working for this deer.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

I pulled on him three times this morning, too.

And just could not.

And Cam was proud of me, though, because I was like,

I just don't have the shot, Cam.

Because he a whispers in my ear.

He goes, you got a shot.

And I've been, I forgot who wrote it,

but it's a little book called Lying.

Have you ever seen this book?

No.

It's like a little bitty book.

It's just called Lying.

But it's like some arc.

You got to check it.

It's a really cool book.

And it just talks about his line.

And the book that talked about me lying to myself.

And right then, I had to fight that urge to lie.

Because it wouldn't have been alive.

I'd have said, yes, I got a shot.

But I didn't have a good shot.

So instead, I go, I don't get one I like, Cam.

Cam goes, and he's put his hand on my shoulder.

He said, I'm proud of you for that.

And I just let it down.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

I mean, the moment of like, I want to kill this deer, so I would be so cool.

Imagine if I went on Joe Rogan's after killing my first buck this morning.

And I was like, but I was like, this ain't the shot.

You know what I mean?

I want the first one to be the shot.

I want to be proud of it.

You know, I don't want to harm an animal.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

I don't want an animal to suffer.

I want to double lung it.

I want to drop it like a movie.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

And if I have to sit here eight more times to get that shot.

Yeah.

It'll just make it.

I'm just getting back at you.

I'm learning more.

I'm learning how to listen for stuff.

I'm seeing things, now I know when they're looking, what the wind means.

I learn what barometric fisheries and what it does to them.

It's all got to come stuff, dude.

I'm like a little nerd there.

I'm like the little kid walking around asking questions all day.

Well, there's a really big learning curve to hunting, particularly bow hunting.

And it's really interesting.

Look, you just keep learning stuff.

Like, I've been doing it now for, I guess I've been bow hunting for 12 years or 13 years.

I guess 12 years.

And I'm still learning.

I learn all the time.

I mean, it's one of the most rewarding things that I've ever done.

And especially in terms of getting pretty decent at it, getting proficient at it and having

a bunch of success and success, gets more success.

I love it.

And then when you eat it, it's different than any other meal you'll ever eat.

When I pull a Elk steak out of my freezer and I thaw it out and then I throw it on

the trigger and I throw some olive oil on it and I like this Saskatchewan black and Saskatchewan

rubbed that they have is my favorite fail.

And I get that sucker up to 120 degrees and then I bring it inside and I sear it on a cast

iron frying pan.

Then I eat it.

Oh, man.

It's magical.

I remember, I remember the whack when that elbow hit them in the lungs, the whack.

That sounds.

Swack.

How crazy is it?

They're crazy.

They fucking scream.

Oh, that was scary.

They shit.

It's magical.

I hunted with Cam this September and I got this Elk that was healed.

He was coming over the mountains with his cows and we saw him, we were like, whoa, that's

a good one.

And we got to try to get to him.

So we had to go over the top of this ridge and go down into this valley and go through

the woods.

And as we got to where he was, another Elk stole his fucking cows.

And so by the time we got to the woods, we were trying to like, we're following the screams

because he was still screaming and they were screaming and the cows are, ah, ah.

So we get through the woods and then we realize, oh shit.

He got his cow stolen.

So his cows.

We saw the last of his cows run up this hill, run up the side of this mountain and he was

going after them.

He was like slowly and then my guy Colton that I was with, he called, he busted this

little cow Elk off and you see the Elko like this, it's like a record skips.

You know, like, and then he turns and he's like slowly starts war.

I was at full draw for like a minute and a half behind this tree just holding for a minute

and a half.

All this dude was, he was about 25 yards, but he did not like it.

And he's like, something's going on here.

I don't see the cow.

What the fuck is happening here?

So he went around sideways to try to get our wind.

And as soon as he went around sideways, as soon as he got clear, I saw him put that pin

on.

I'm so swacked.

He hit him.

He was dead in 15 seconds.

15 seconds.

He, he, he, he got hit.

He's like, what the fuck?

He wrote, he, he turned, started going downhill and then fell and rolled.

And it was over like that.

And then I think at that moment, every time I eat it, every time I'm cutting into that

stick, I think of that crazy moment, you know, God, that is a wild moment dude.

And it's also after miles and miles of trekking up these mountains, you're at 7,700 feet above

a sea level.

And you have to hunt elk.

You don't sit for them, right?

You got to go out there.

There's no sitting.

You go find him.

You're fucking exhausted every day.

Go pay.

That's where I'm training for Joe Rogi.

That's where I'm getting to say.

When June starts rolling around, that's when I start really ramping up the cardio.

That's when I start ramping up the airdined bike and ramping up the steps.

When I start doing step-ups on boxes and I start doing body weights in September.

Wow.

So right around June is when I really just kick in the leg strengthening, leg conditioning

and cardio time, because you know you're going to have to go, they live in the mountains

man, which is interesting because they didn't used to be like, they were more like living

in the plains until people start fucking with them.

And then they realize like the best way to get away from people is to get way up where

it's difficult to get to.

So if you want to get them, you got to go where it's difficult to get to, so you've got

to get in shape.

Yeah.

And that's the stuff like, I hope somebody's listening to this right now going man, I'll

never be able to elk hunt.

Yeah, you can.

I promise you.

You can do it.

You can do it.

You can start walking tomorrow.

Yeah.

You can start going forward.

Yeah.

Even then, you know, it's your big goal.

Put little goals in between there.

That was another big one for me.

It was like, I had these big goals, but I didn't get, they were so far, I realized I'd lose

sight of them sometimes.

So you got to set them little, little baby goals in the middle.

You know what I mean?

Those little like, you know what?

I'm going to walk a mile.

Five days this week, no matter what the weather is, I'm going to walk a whole mile.

You know, I'm going to walk to my mailbox and back, whatever your starting point is.

And then I encourage you to start making the decision that's hard, because me and Cam talked

about this when we ran our 5K.

There's a hill.

My driveway comes down a driveway, comes down a hill and you bust a right, Joe.

And then you can go left into a neighborhood, the same run I run every day, or you can go

right up a hill, and it is a hill hill, you know?

And the first day, I came out and I looked up that hill and I looked to the left and I

took two steps to the left and I stopped and I told myself, I was like, I'm learning

about stories we tell ourselves.

The story I've been telling myself my whole life was take the easy way out.

My entire life, Joe, I have always looked for the path of the easiest, like A to B straight

line.

You know what I mean?

And I was like, I break that today.

I turn right.

Fuck you.

You feel it, don't you?

It's big.

It's a big moment.

I was like, no, I'm hitting that fucking hill, you know, because I'm big, fat people hate

heels.

Stairs, we hate all that shit.

So I'm like, I'm like, hit the hill.

You know what I'm walking and I'm stopping and I'm walking and I'm stopping and I'm walking

and I stopped.

I just kept going and when I got to the top of it, there was a telephone pole up there

and I went and slapped it and I just slapped the shit out of it.

And I was just, I felt so achieved and I came down the hill and then I took a left and

I was going to go straight down to the stop sign and back, but if you take a left, you

can go up another hill.

So I was, in my mind, I was like, I'm going to stop sign and hit the hill.

But as I was walking by that other hill, I was like, this is the new you.

You hit the hill dog.

This is the new you.

Today is the new you.

You hit the hill, left, hit the fucking hill, come back down on my way home that day.

Look up, see that hill.

It's right by my house.

I go, fuck, I made it one more time.

You know what I mean?

And then it started becoming a thing where it's like, I started adopting that philosophy

in life now, Joe.

I hit the hill first.

Whatever the hardest thing is, whatever scares me the most, whatever I think is going to

be the most daunting of the day.

It's like, put that motherfucker on the table right.

Let me see that bitch first.

And it makes the rest of your life easier, too.

That's what's really important.

When you elect to make these decisions, conscious decisions to do a difficult thing voluntarily,

you elect to do that, then the rest of your life becomes way easier.

Because the most difficult thing of your day is always the most difficult thing of your

day, whether you decide to do it or whether life throws it at you.

And you can decide to give yourself some shit that's way harder than anything life's

going to throw at you.

And then the rest of life becomes easy.

It makes you ready to deal with life.

It's also very important for famous people.

Yes.

It's very important for famous people.

Because for famous, the pressures and the weirdness of fame, most people don't understand

the psychological burden that that carries, how that hits you.

And it can really fuck with you.

And one of the best ways that I've found to keep it from fucking with me is to make the

hardest part of my day, my choice.

I do it.

I put myself through.

So other stuff that seems difficult for other people that don't work out or don't take

on challenging tasks, it's not that difficult for me.

It's easy.

I'm already torturing myself every fucking day.

And I feel really more qualified to deal with shit when I do, though, like when I have

a really hard run, I walk into the house that day like, I don't care what comes at me

today.

Exactly.

I am on fire.

I'll give you another quiz more.

It's nothing harder than what you're doing.

You're barely alive, right?

You're breathing so hard, your heart is pounding.

Nothing in life is giving you that.

Nothing in life is giving you that kind of burden.

No.

So if you can do that to yourself, it'll make the rest of your life way easier.

And then it, believe it or not, it gets funnier.

Yes.

It goes back to my first year walking was miserable.

I won't lie to people that are listening to this.

I didn't enjoy one of those walks.

You know what I mean?

Not one.

I didn't have one time.

But when the weight started coming off and I started being able to breathe a little better,

like I wasn't just fighting for oxygen every single step.

And that moment happens, though, if you're patient.

The next thing you know, you're running with your friends and y'all are talking about the

football game and you're firing on all cylinders.

That's a day when you were on that treadmill, you were talking, we were watching the vulcan

Oscar.

Excuse me.

The Pewter Yon.

Yeah.

Mariah Wavish-Willy fight.

Were we giving commentary?

Yeah.

You do it.

And as you were running, like, oh, I remember when that kick landed.

Yeah, I was like, ooh, that was loud.

Yeah.

I'm telling you, dude.

I like running.

Just running.

Yeah.

And it makes me mentally ready now because I go out and I know David talked about this

a lot, Gogans.

But I go out there and beat that bitch every day.

All of them negative thoughts.

I deal with them on my run in my workout.

Every one of those, you can't do it and you know what else I've learned?

But I have a chance to eat bad today.

It's going to happen on a day I didn't wake up and run.

Right.

If I'm going to go off my program because the days I run, I don't want that shit.

Right.

I know I earned it.

Right.

And mentally it makes me better.

I woke up the other day and ran in my form and I come back and my son, I'm all excited.

We're going to the Titan game and I'm getting to connect with my son and I go hop on a

four wheeler right up to the top of the hill.

I'll run up there and meet you.

I'm going to get a little more exercise in.

And when I'm running up to the top of the hill, I look up and he's stuck.

He stopped somewhere going down another hill that I thought he was going to go down.

And right then, I realized it's the hill that he fell and broke his wrist on riding the

four wheeler last year and he stopped up there because he's scared and his friend already

went down.

Joe, I thank God in that moment.

I said, Jesus, thank you.

I'm ready for this.

I've ran.

I'm not.

I feel the endorphins like I am ready to parent this moment.

Most of the time, you know, as a parent, you walk into these crazy moments and you're like,

oh, not fully ready for this moment.

You know what I mean?

We blow him and you look back and go, oh, I wasn't ready for that one necessarily.

Yeah.

And I walk up to him and I credit this to running.

I walk up and I go, what's up, buddy?

And he goes, I think this is the hill, dad.

I go, it is, buddy.

He goes, I'm scared.

And I go, dude, I've been scared for 35 years and I never admitted it.

So you're already way better than me.

So you're already twice the man I am.

I said, now what we got to do is know we know what we're feeling.

What are we going to do?

It's me and you, buddy.

What are we going to do?

He goes, I don't want to drive it.

What am I right with you?

He goes, will you sit on the back of this?

Now he's on a 90.

You know what I'm talking about, you know, for people at home, this is a nine-year-old

four-wheeler.

And even then I start just thanking God in my head where I was like, I'm ready for this.

For the first time ever, I'm not too fat to get on this thing with him.

Right.

I'm going to rub a little bit.

You know what I'm saying?

But I can get on the back of it.

Yeah.

And I sit down on the back of it.

And he says, we grab this steering wheel.

I go, nobody, but I grab your waist.

I said, you don't need me to touch that steering wheel.

You just need me with you.

Brushes it down the heel.

Nice.

You know what I mean?

That's awesome.

And then you get to have the moment where you get to go, now what do we learn there, buddy?

He goes, I learned that I can do it as long as you're with me.

I said, no, buddy, you learn it.

You can do it.

You just need, you just thought you needed me with you.

Right.

I said, but here's the good news.

Jesus is always with you, Bubba.

You got this.

Like just go.

Like don't be afraid of this, man.

He drove it back up the hill, so then I said, do me a favor.

Just ride up top of the hill and ride back down.

I'll be sitting here waiting for you.

If you start to go south, I'll run and jump on you.

Just come down that hill.

He drove right up the top of the hill.

Turn around, okay.

Right down at you.

And it's like I was ready for it, though.

I already did the hard stuff that day.

You know what I mean?

Having any emotional moment with my son was the easiest part of my day after that.

I'd already ran three, four miles.

You know what I mean?

I'd already woke up and got myself in a head space of like, I'm going to pour into my

son today.

I'm going to take him to get his favorite suite from the Titan game and get him a cam

more.

I already had a thing of ways I was going to connect with him.

And then God gave me a whole new opportunity.

You know what I mean?

Like God gave me a real opportunity.

I was making ways to connect.

Like how we could probably do this and this will be fun, but like it just naturally came.

Yeah.

I wasn't ready for that at 500 pounds.

One, I would have never been like, go up there hill.

You had 500 pounds.

I'm like, you want to sit here and watch a movie?

No kid wants to sit and watch a movie at nine years old for all parents out there that

are 500 pounds.

You know what I mean?

I'll hit your form.

But to be in that kind of place with him is like the joy of life.

Like I want somebody to hear this podcast.

Why I keep saying it this way and understand that you're not living the life you can.

Right.

No, so possible.

It's not easy, but it's possible and it's worth it.

It's so worth it, Joe.

You know what I mean?

The things that are not easier are worth it.

It's important to do things that are not easy.

It's really important.

It's like if you want real peace, peace doesn't come from rest.

Peace comes from struggle.

Peace comes from struggle.

It really does.

You have to.

You have to.

Peace comes from challenge.

It comes from being excited about something doing something difficult figuring out.

You can do it.

Building resilience.

You know, building resilience is so important.

It's so important because there's just too many people that are afraid of resilience.

They're afraid of confrontation.

They're afraid of anything that's difficult, anything that's struggle, anything that's

going to test them.

They're scared of it.

They don't want that discomfort.

But that discomfort is when you find true peace.

There was a guy that there's a famous old tale that reminded me of that.

The guy goes, a young man looks at a rich man one day, a rich, healthy, happy man.

He goes, how did you get where you are in a rich happy man looks at him and goes, good

decisions, two words.

Good decisions.

Do you ever heard the story?

No.

He goes, good decisions.

And the kid goes, well, how did you make good decisions?

He goes, one word, experience.

And the kid goes, well, how did you get experience?

And the guy goes, two words, bad decisions.

Yeah.

He's got to go do it, dude.

Yeah.

Failure.

Failure's critical.

Failure failed.

And the pain of failure is also very important.

It sucks.

And it's hard.

In the moment, you don't think you're ever going to live past this.

You're going to live in this moment forever.

And I can't do this.

I'm going to, I can't live like this.

I can't do this.

But get through it.

Get through it.

Get through it.

And now you have resilience.

And you'll become a whole, you'll become a better person because of it.

Like, just, just taking, I used to be that way and I'd get in shame about stuff.

Like, shame was a big thing for me.

I'd be embarrassed and I'd get into a spiral where I just wouldn't deal with things.

I'd be like, I'm just ashamed of that.

I didn't do it right or I'm a fuck up or I'll never do it right or I'll never be able

to do that.

I use this kind of language.

It goes back to how we talk to ourselves.

Right.

You know, it's like this is in your body, believe it.

You tell your body enough, you're never going to do none.

Your body will start to be like, all right, we're never going to do that.

You know, but it's like, I realized that it was more about actually just starting to

go, nah, man, I can do that.

You know what I mean?

Like, I can figure that out.

And now I get motivated.

Every time I've left that deer blind without one of them books, every time we get in the

truck, I'm all, I'm smiles, Cam goes, how are you feeling?

I was like, dog, I am going to get good at this.

You know what I mean?

Like, I look at it different.

I don't look at it like, oh, I suck, I look at it like dog.

I am eight hours into 10,000 of these hours.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, y'all be patient with me.

I'm only on hour eight.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, but I promise y'all, I'll be a whole different dude.

But God, eight hours into something like that is so nice because you know you have so

much to learn.

And if you just look at it that way, like, what a beautiful blessing it is to have so many

opportunities to do things, so many times that you're going to be able to learn, so much

time to grow, so much time to get better.

You have so much room.

I mean, if you already cam hands, boy, it's so difficult to get better for you the best.

Yeah, for so hard.

You know, he's just challenged by moments.

So he just experiences a lot of challenging moments and he rises to the occasion because

he knows because he's got 30 plus years of experience doing it and he knows how to do

it.

But for you, it's like you're in this beautiful place where it's all learning every day's

a new lesson, even mistakes like putting your hoodie on.

Okay.

Now we know.

No, no, no.

I'm going to wear the hoodie to tell you what tomorrow night I'm going to wear the hoodie

if it's 80 because I don't care.

I'm going to sweat in it and then when it gets cold, I'm ready, then be not ready when

it's.

And you're going to have a bunch of those.

I had one elk hunting this September that we were going after these elk that were in

this thickly wooded section and we were in this open area and we were trying to figure

out where this bull is because he was running cows through there and you catch climpses

of them.

And so we decided to move around to this new spot.

And as we decided to move around to this new spot, we were like, you know what, we're

going to have to go up this ridge and go around this way and come at him from another direction.

So as we started to do that, he changed and he ran out through the woods into the clearing

and I was stuck out in the open, just standing there, like staring at him, like, fuck, if

I just stayed in cover, I would have got this motherfucker.

But I got impatient and I tried to like run out and meet and, you know, it's one of those

lessons.

Okay.

This time, 12 years in, that makes me feel good.

Oh, God.

I'm not even close to knowing what the fuck I'm doing.

You know, I need a lot of lessons.

I've created a pool table twice this way.

It's bad.

I'm out there so lost.

It's got to be at least entertaining for everybody to see it.

It's so exciting, though.

And you'll get that success.

It'll come.

Well, having so much fun, you know, I was like, I think I'm going to get a book this week.

I believe it.

But if I don't, I got so many lessons and I'll be back the next week, they'll let me

back to try.

You'll find them.

You'll find them all right.

It's going to come.

It's going to come with persistence and just putting in the time and I feel like the universe

just gives you these opportunities and when it's there, you'll have this big burst like

this breakthrough moment like, okay, I did it.

I fucking did it.

I did it.

Okay.

I'm going to cook this here.

This deer is going, you'll be salt in that thing and slap it on the grill and swatching

it sizzle.

Smelling it, oh, the smell.

Then when you go to cook it, you're like, oh, my God, this is the best food I've ever

eaten in my life.

This is the best bite of food because it's a bite of food with an experience attached

to it.

It's not just a bite of food and it's the best meat on planet earth, the healthiest food

you can get.

You want to talk about like density?

You were talking about like density of nutrition.

There's nothing more dense than wild game, it's like twice as much protein as a piece

of beef.

Twice as much for the same amount of ounces, yeah, it's so good for you.

Same calories.

No, probably less.

Wow.

You're eating an athlete.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

You're eating like an athlete, you know.

That's correct.

I never thought of it that way.

Yeah, man.

I've never ate a bunch of game though, obviously.

This is also new.

Game is the best thing for you by far.

There's no better food than wild game.

I've never had a nook steak.

I won't want.

Oh, my goodness.

Oh, I wish I hadn't won right here to cook for you.

Oh, I wish I had a grill.

We'll do one.

The good news is we'll do it the right way.

We'll cook when I kill.

Yes.

That'll be the big moment.

Yes.

If I waited this long, I might as well go smack him.

It'll be so exciting.

And then you're going to be fully, fully, fully hooked.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Once you actually do it, when I shot that mule deer that's on that table and, you know,

Renella did the same thing that Cam did for you.

You know, he took me.

He showed me what to do.

He took me out there and completely green.

I never even shot a rifle before.

I only shot a rifle like three, luckily, and I'm not saying rifle hunting is easy.

I think for people that rifle hunt, and they get really, very difficult, it's very difficult.

But it's not as difficult as bow hunting, which is why I was able to be successful on my

first ever rifle hunt, you know, being successful on a bow hunt for mule deer, good, fucking

luck.

A bow hunting for mule deer has a very low success rate, like even with elite hunters.

Because it's a very cagey animal, they're very intelligent.

Super fast, too.

We were eating this animal.

We shot it, we packed it out, we started to camp fire, we were cooking it.

And I remember Steve said to me, "What do you think?"

I said, "I'm doing this forever."

Yeah.

Forever.

I knew at that moment, I was like, "Well, I'm going to be a hunter now."

Like, that's what I'm doing forever, because I was on my way to being a vegetarian.

I was like, "I've watched too many PETA videos, and I'm like, oh my God, factory farming

is so awful.

It's so terrible."

You know, I didn't understand, like, regenerative farming and ranching.

And I eat beef now.

I mean, I never stopped eating beef, but eating wild games is a different thing.

It's a different, like I said, it's food with experience attached to it.

There's something very spiritual about it, and it's also, it connects you to a part

of mankind's history that is intertwined in your DNA.

Like, there's something about it.

You know, like, for people that I've never experienced before, you know the feeling that

you get when you catch a fish?

Even little kids, man.

I remember my daughter caught her first fish when she was like six, she caught a bass,

and she was so excited, "Oh, oh, oh, you get it."

That is in our DNA, because that means that you're going to live, you're going to eat,

you're going to feed your family.

That's why that is so exciting to catch a fish.

Shooting an animal and killing it and eating it, knowing that you can eat it for months

is that times like a hundred.

Shooting an animal with a bow is that times a thousand.

Oh, maybe think about it when I was thinking about animal killing and bows, especially now,

because I'm thinking about this a lot, obviously, I'm in the middle of it.

But there's this thing that's happening there where it's like the concept that back

in the day, a man left with this stick and piece of metal, or just a stick back, and

a shaved stick, and I'll just, it up-string.

It was like, "If this goes good, I will come back with enough to feed our tribe, this

entire village of people."

I will bring a deer and we will all eat together.

That's crazy.

It is crazy.

That that was once the way it actually went.

And it was the only way.

This is from here.

This, who knows how old that is.

Wow.

Yeah, a friend of mine got that on his ranch and gave it to me.

Oh, yeah, this is crazy.

Yeah.

So, some Native American, probably a Comanche, because it's here in Austin, and that

guy, who made that, made it himself, attached it with sinew and twine and put it on a stick

that he had shaved down and put feathers on it that he had got from a bird, and glue

that they had made from, they made glue from all kinds of different things.

He shot that probably into an animal and it fed its family.

And then that was lost in the dirt and then a thousand years later, somebody found it.

It still stands.

It's crazy.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

And then he came home like a hero.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, man, you're right.

That feeling of catching that fish.

My daughter felt it too.

When she was six, I took her blue gear fishing.

Yeah.

I had a little spot in the lake where you could just drive and catch a blue gear a lot

most every time.

You know, they're pretty little fishes.

He's so excited.

She would have a ball.

Yeah.

It's so exciting.

It was my wife to fish for the first time when she came moving down from Vegas.

And I thought I wasn't thinking, Joe, this was a user error.

But I was like, oh, my friend's got a spot catfish pond.

I was like, this is great.

These throw it out there.

She'll get her a big ol' hog of a catfish.

I wasn't thinking about how brutally hard it is to unhook catfish like compared to a bass

or a blue gill.

You know what I mean?

And of course, I get a bass that swallows the fucking hook.

So we fight this bass.

I mean, this is the catfish and she's all excited until it gets there.

And until this date was the most brutal ripping out of, Joe, she's never went back.

She was disgusted.

She was all in until after, like once we got, she should have just clipped it, threw it

back in.

But I was just determined to get, you know how you are when you're stuck.

I know.

It's fucking coming out.

And it was just horrible.

Yeah.

It looks like, oh.

Yeah.

But the good news is, I think I've got her talking to one deer hunt after I do because

Rihanna goes, Cam's assistant, and she loves money, and I think that'd be digestible

for money.

Like if she went with another chick that was cool, you know what I mean, it's like a big

time bow hunter.

Yeah.

She'll show her how to do it.

Maybe she'll get hooked too.

I know she was good because she was talking about hit one yesterday.

She was like, I had a shot on one of like 40, almost I had one at 40 yards out, but I didn't

have a shot.

And right then I was like, you were going to take a shot at 40 yards of you to have one.

That's crazy bow hunting skill.

Yeah, the ability to shoot at distance is really tricky because you got to take into account

wind.

You got to take into account the movement of the animal.

You got to be assured that that because like, like, just see that elk that's on the wall

out front with a photo of Cam and I, that was 67 yards.

Whoa.

Yeah, we got a video of that.

So this elk was standing at 67 yards and he's just stopped.

He had fought off these other elk and he was tired and he just stopped and that error.

I'll never forget that error.

That was like, right in the 10 ring.

It was a perfect shot and from almost 70 out.

Yeah.

And he ran and he just piled up.

He just ran right over the top of this hill and boom.

And he was done.

But it was, that was years and years and years of every day in the backyard all day long.

I mean, I shot so many hours, I fucked my shoulder up, I fucked my lower back.

I was, because I'm obsessive, I will shoot for four or five hours a day and I'm pulling

an 85 pound bow like a hundred and fifty times a day.

It's ridiculous.

It's like on your body, it's your body is like, what the fuck are you doing?

For sure.

But I'm only pulling 45 pounds.

But when you do that over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over

and over and over and over, it becomes a part of your central nervous system.

It's like your brain just gets locked in, your eye immediately goes to that peep site.

It lines it up immediately with a sight housing.

You balance it at all out.

You put in the same place every time too.

Always.

Yeah, you have to.

Yeah, you have to have anchor points.

I've got a little, I've got a Beaumont nose button, it touches my nose.

I feel that on my nose every time with a string touches my nose.

This little thing just kind of pinches at your nose, let you know you're in the right spot.

Yeah, I'm going to go get Wayne to redo mine.

He did it, but we had it where I just sat on my nose perfect and then I lost that weight.

So I mean, more weight, I lost like 80 pounds as I got set for the bow.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, this is like the never ending problem in my life right now.

Clothes are either super baggy or I got one size too early.

So it's tight, you know, because I'm just having to constantly chase right in his neck.

Right.

So I'm just a normal person, I get down a normal weight and, you know, put on a holiday

weight like everybody else and that's the fluctuation.

That's wild.

I'm close though.

I'm close.

So close.

I got down.

I'm in like the 260s right now.

30 some pounds of skin on me.

I'd like to lose another probably 40s probably my goal.

You're going to be under 200 pounds.

That is.

That's the goal.